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Re: Thatcherism at its best!
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2015, 14:14:17 PM »
You must have been a cracking landlord Gordon with many a genteel bar room debate!  ;D



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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2015, 14:41:03 PM »
Gordon, I think it is really terribly sad that have allowed yourself to be led so easily off topic and up the garden path by artful members into derailing the thread through a personal declaration of love for UKIP. Perhaps you should pay more attention to Loz' classes on "How not to get yourself lost on the internet". However, since you have followed this up with yet another off-topic post on immigration I feel entitled to point out, in relation to the NHS, that without immigration the Health Service would have 40,000 fewer doctors and far, far fewer nurses. Indeed, without these immigrants the NHS would have collapsed in on itself years ago.

But I generally agree with your sentiments about Thatcher.

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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2015, 14:58:53 PM »
As long as Brits are languishing in foreign lands where they are not directly affected by the utter devastation of the U.K.'s National Health Service, amongst other agencies, by the sheer overwhelming amounts of immigrants, legal or otherwise, who are being allowed to settle in the U.K. we shall always get the distorted views of one or two misguided persons.
I find it really strange, and somewhat disconcerting, that other-wise seemingly intelligent people can show a degree of pure apathy toward the "well-being" of their own country !!

Was my post you quoted factually incorrect in any way?  In what way was it "distorted"?

As a country Scotland encourages immigration - had it gained independence it's likely the level of immigration would have risen, according to several political observers.

Generally speaking, Scotland has always been welcoming to immigrants and I know many Asians who are now second and third generation "Scots".  Their word, not mine.

We've had Poles here for years, a great many settled after WW2 and their families and relatives followed.   

Flourishing Chinese communities in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee courtesy of HK.

Now we have Russians, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Bulgarians with the odd asylum seeker thrown in.  Other than the asylum seekers, the majority of these folks are working - contributing to the economy and paying their taxes like any other Scottish individual. 

Stealing jobs?  Nah... they're often doing the sh1t jobs that local folks either don't want to do or they consider it beneath them.

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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2015, 15:27:48 PM »
Hows about this for an idea, have 50% of parliament to consist of women who are prone to PMS but have a bit of common sense, plus putting England  before any other country and also with the belief that charity begins at home i.e: ENGLAND.
The kind I am thinking are of Maggie thatchers determination and stubbornness  (political policies not included), so that when some prat in Brussels say we cannot kick someone out of UK because of human rights, she can (especially that  time of the month)  say, "Up yours sunshine, we live in this country, we make the decisions.  End Of!!!"

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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2015, 15:40:13 PM »
putting England  before any other country and also with the belief that charity begins at home i.e: ENGLAND.
That should appeal to the electorate in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. But, since that's more or less what happens now, I don't suppose anyone will notice the difference.

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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2015, 15:53:03 PM »
Back on topic.

Yes, I think Maggie did a fine job in her day and I don't mind admtting that I worked for a company that in January 1986 was deeply involved in breaking the union's hold on Fleet Street.

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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2015, 16:18:05 PM »
Gordon, I think it is really terribly sad that have allowed yourself to be led so easily off topic and up the garden path by artful members into derailing the thread through a personal declaration of love for UKIP. Perhaps you should pay more attention to Loz' classes on "How not to get yourself lost on the internet". However, since you have followed this up with yet another off-topic post on immigration I feel entitled to point out, in relation to the NHS, that without immigration the Health Service would have 40,000 fewer doctors and far, far fewer nurses. Indeed, without these immigrants the NHS would have collapsed in on itself years ago.

But I generally agree with your sentiments about Thatcher.


Colwyn, whilst I agree with your figures re. doctors & nurses , please read the following, I know you will , because you, like myself, are an " informationati " .

In 2012, 435,000 long-term international migrants arrived to live in England, which is 87% of the total 498,000 long-term immigrants to the UK. Scotland received 34,000 long-term immigrants (7% of total), 16,000 people (3% of total) immigrated to Wales and 12,000 people (2% of total) immigrated to Northern Ireland. England, Scotland and Wales had more long-term immigrants than long-term emigrants in 2012, with net migration figures of 158,000,14,000 and 8,000 respectively. By contrast, Northern Ireland had more long-term emigrants than long-term immigrants, resulting in a net outflow of 2,000.

So, yes, without immigrants, there may have been a short fall in the amount of medical staff in the N.H.S. but that beggars the question as to whether so many would have been necessary , but for the huge number of immigrants who are constantly putting more and more strain upon an already floundering service ??

Also, if Scotland is so welcoming to " long stay " immigrants, why is the total for the same year, 2012, a mere 7% of the total figure of 498,000 who turned up in the U.K. whilst England has been invaded by 87% of that total figure ??

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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2015, 16:32:20 PM »
Hmmm..... Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.


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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2015, 16:39:40 PM »
You must have been a cracking landlord Gordon with many a genteel bar room debate!  ;D

The following was, & still is my mantra, ;
Politics, or religion, should NEVER be discussed upon licensed premises !!  ;-)

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2015, 16:51:32 PM »
And there was me thinking it was

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And a glass of white wine for the lady.

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