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Offline nichola

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2016, 17:29:54 PM »
Theoretically there is but in practice this is being eroded Bluwise



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« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2016, 17:44:09 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2016, 17:55:47 PM »
I am treading carefully on disagreeing with Nichola because I put considerable weight on her opinion. But it does strike me that the theory of the separation of powers is very much a European/American theory; indeed a great many European countries have only come to it in recent years (since WWII). I know the 3 elements was a fundamental component of the UK 'O Level' British Constitution syllabus but what does democracy mean elsewhere in the world? Erdogan has often complained "I've been elected.That's democratic. Still they complain. What more do they want?". He doesn't say that any more because he doesn't care any more. A lot of the world doesn't recognize that democracy requires a free judiciary, or a free press, or even freedom of speech. In short the notion of "civil society" is alien to many countries in the world - and probably a lot of UK citizens don't know what it means either - but they know that democracy is supposed to be linked to freedom - and that freedom rests upon freedom of speech and access to an open legal system. Thinking about it a bit more you realize that a civil society also encompasses trade unions and professional associations, pressure groups, petitions, and - horror of horrors - street protests.

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2016, 19:19:13 PM »
If it helps Colwyn my husband agrees that Turkey has recognized separation of powers.

He also agrees with the content of my post at the top of this page. That the theory in practice is being eroded.

Separation of powers serve to provide checks and balance to ensure that no one element of government exceeds its authority. Clearly it's fairly obvious that the balance ihas changed and continues to change. There were a lot of changes in personel in the Police service after Gezi and indeed after the 'alleged' free passing of arms and oil across the Syrian border...

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2016, 23:22:57 PM »
How is all this conflict playing out in Fethiye area? Are the shops open now?

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2016, 08:20:18 AM »
Nothing closed. If it wasn't for the cashpoint and petrol queues then you wouldnt know.
42 helicopters missing and reports of a 2nd attempt.


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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2016, 09:06:37 AM »
42 helicopters missing

Probably been sold to Daesh ?

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2016, 09:09:21 AM »
If we assume that these events “ tighten “ and strengthen Erdogan’s position and hold on power what does that mean he will actually do with it ?

We here phrases like “Religious Conservative” and “Executive Presidency” but what are his actual STATED aims for the country. I don’t mean theories, speculation, opinions and articles in the Daily Mail – what has he ACTUALLY SAID his intentions are for domestic social and foreign policies ?

Any one know ?

PS - also exclude any conspiracy theories........

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2016, 10:06:31 AM »
We dont know for certain but have a good idea.

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Re: Military Coup in Turkey??
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2016, 10:40:12 AM »
Rather than study what Erdogan says in public statements, would it not be more instructive to look at what he has actually done. He has been in power for 13 years now so we have plenty of material to go on. He has closed a number of newspapers critical of the AKP and installed AKP supporters in place of the original owners and editors. He has fired thousands of senior police and military officers and replaced them with AKP supporters. Similarly he has replaced secularist judges with AKP supporters. He has pursued an erratic policy towards the Kurdish population, particularly in the South East blowing hot and cold over social improvement programmes versus military threat. It is claimed that he, his family and his friends have corruptly acquired vast wealth. Is this a factual statement? It certain seems highly likely.

On the other hand, under his leadership Turkey's economic performance has (until recently) been strong and (again until recently) monetary stability has been impressive in comparison with previous decades. Investment in education increased from 7.5bn lira in 2002 (pre-AKP Govt.) to 34bn lira in 2011, compulsory education has increased from 8 years to 12, the number of universities has doubled, and education of girls and women has been promoted. And much else.

In short, as with any politician, you can cherry pick the bad bits or the good bits to suit your own tastes, values or beliefs. What clearly worries people is the increasingly authoritarian tone of his current statements and the actions taken to back them up.




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