Holiday Let New Controls

[Scunner]

I don't think they are planning to ask - that's my point. So whether you are an owner or a renter is irrelevant.

[stoop]

I don't think they are planning to ask - that's my point. So whether you are an owner or a renter is irrelevant.

Exactly! But if they are going to ask then being an owner or renter is irrelevant too   

[Scunner]

How is it irrelevant? They can fine an owner 5000TL a day and fine a renter nothing. That's fairly relevant.

[Rana]

Thanks patrice and Dave that would be great if everyone on here are kept informed if travellers were asked or not. Exactly Scunner that was my point, Legal rentals said all would be asked upon arrival but can't back up evidence of this. 

[JohnF]

As explained in many different platforms, we had to run this project under a company to be able to help people. regardless it is a NON-Profit or Profit based company, they must have a worker/manager.

From your web site, Legalrentalsturkey do property maintenance, assist in the applications for residency & work permits, organise weddings, do car rental, facilitate property sales and more - maybe I'm just an old cynic, but are you really suggesting that Legalrentalsturkey is a non-profit company?

There's something I meant to ask you previously - you're first post had "So we approached the governor of Mugla"  but when I queried some of what you'd posted you then stated "We were put in this work with the request of the Governor of Mugla".  So, I'm curious, who really asked who?

You may think I'm being pedantic, and you may be correct - however, CBF members have come to expect a certain level of integrity and transparency from local businesses that post (or are recommended) on here. 

Again, the word tax appears countless times in these new lengthy responses but the word terrorism doesn't appear once.

Well it wouldn't, would it?      The lengthy responses have all been from local businesses who, despite their very informative (and at times conflicting) posts, are still businesses who believe they can "assist" the membership of CBF.

JF

[stoop]

How is it irrelevant? They can fine an owner 5000TL a day and fine a renter nothing. That's fairly relevant.

I meant it's irrelevant as far as asking where you are staying is concerned. Renter or landlord, when you enter the country you give details of where you are staying.

The easy answer is to just change the visa so that it has a question that asks where you are staying. In fact that's the only way I can ever see it working.

[Scunner]

That is the one idea that won't work - people might not know where they are staying the next time they visit, just the first time.

[Volkan Hacıgümüş]

Yes let me answer your questions:

1) We had a DOKTOB meeting. In this meeting we decided we would do our public service duty to inform people of the laws. However, that wasn't enough. We also wanted to create a system that would be cost effective for people to register. However, as DOKTOB is a civil association (DERNEK) it can not easily be involved in business activity. However we needed to employ at least 3 people, make a discounted agreement with the public accountant, he would invoice us and we would invoice members. If DOKTOB went into this organisation, they would fall under a DERNEK with real income and they would be class, f,ed as Book Keeper Association and they would go under a massive integration by the tax office. So, because I have a Double BA in International business and Economy and Double MBA in Business Management and Finance, I am legally and technically capable of organising such system. Also because I lşved outside of Turkey for 14 years in total, and because i have good relationships with expats and tourists in dalyan area they thought it would be best to form this service under my company.

2) If you read our website, all services you mention above has a cost, price. Do you want your garden to be taken care of, it costs you. Do you want transfers from airport: It costs you Do you want a special day organised: It costs you HOWEVER if you need help registering and advise, all processes we follow for you for FREE. Its said in million places on our website. We have helped hundreds of people so far and dissent charge anything. If you register by becoming a member of the group, the agreements with the accountant and salaries paid to staff to repost every day for the clients are open booked. Currently charge is 300 liras but at the end of the year if cost per residency lower than this, we give the excess money back. If its more than 300 liras, DOKTOB and Volkan's Adventures pays for it.

3) We have first met with Evren Ekmekci (Captain Jandarma of Ortaca) Than with Fatih Ürkem (Mayor of Ortaca) and explained them our project. Than Mr. Amir Çiçek visited us in Dalyan, we explained him our project. Than we went to Ankara and met with Mehmet TEKiNARSLAN, who is the under secretary of minister of internal affairs. Than last week we have met with Mr. Binali Yıldırım in Mugla and explained our project (You probably know who he is). Than I got lots of scepticism and they even cut my cars break fluid lines in dalyan and accused me of making up laws. Than I called Colonel Yavuz özfidan and explained him that I am getting a lot of heat. Than he arranged a meeting in dalyan, captain Evren Ekmekçi, number of sergeants, The Chief Registration Officer from Ortaca Municipality, The civilian jandarma officers whom are responsible,ble of GUYKIMBIL attended. And they made it clear that my efforts are to inform people, which is civil associations duty, and every work we did is within their knowledge and they confirmed everything that says on that site. I also made a speash, explained people (Emlak offices) that this is not my business. They should be doing this.They should stop being sceptical and act otherwise what happened last week in Konya, Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir, bursa, Adıyaman, Izmit will happen in Mugla, jandarma will seal these houses when guests are in it and fine owners.

4) The reason tax is mentioned because these laws are passed under the declaration to fight against unregistered economy. Only last law, KHK 678 was connected to help fight terrorism. The 5 said laws are passed with the correlated work of 4 ministries but the ministry of revenues is the controller.

5) Upon our conversation with Mr. Ibrahim yesterday, and upon him informing us regarding who can stay in your property, perhaps you should take his word. The law he is mentioning is correct and in force.

6) This is the last time i am logging in this forum because all you are doing is trying to find holes in the laws. Go to our site, read the laws, and you will be very enlightened to see there is no discussion, there is no loopholes, its crystal clear that if you want to rent you house, you need a municipality operation license. If the 10,000 houses sealed and fined in last week doesn't make you want to act now, than continue what you are doing. We are tourism professionals. We make our living from tourism. We are the last ones who would want to harm it. Hence all the effort we are putting and we have a lt more to do than trying to convince you

[JohnF]

This is the last time i am logging in this forum because all you are doing is trying to find holes in the laws.

...and of course this is something no Turkish person ever does? 

This a discussion forum and members are perfectly entitled to discuss this law and how it affects them.  In fact, its what good lawyers, Turkish or otherwise do on a daily basis - what's so different about CBF members doing it?

Stay or go, it is your choice.  You've been treated politely and with respect on CBF, somewhat more so than other individuals in similar situations over the years.

JF

[KKOB]