Brexit

[1calis]

Some are really taken in by project fear lies.
We voted out so no ties,eg custom union,with EU. Can deal with EU without being part of it the same as rest of the world does.

[LindseyMitchell]

So every business, business organisation, doctor, economist, banker, airline, ex pat and journalist is lying;  why would they do that?
Jeremy Hunt has stated that the government ave bought hundreds of fridges to stockpile essential medicines.  A plane is on standby to bring cancer treating isotopes to the UK, parts of Kent have been turned into lorry parks, and holiday companies have warned of severe travel disruption.  Food rationing May well happen.  Are these all lies?
Other countries in the World already have trade deals in place.  We don’t.

[Highlander]

Have the CBI not backed the deal on the table ?

[LindseyMitchell]

I think iCalis was talking about a No Deal Brexit, Highlander, which the CBI have said will be disastrous, as does anyone else who wants the best for the U.K.

[1calis]

So every business, business organisation, doctor, economist, banker, airline, ex pat and journalist is lying;

 Every business? Not all support remain.
 Every expat? Have they all been asked?
 Every economist? Carney has been found to be wrong on a number of occasions.
 Project fear spreads its web to the gullible.

[LindseyMitchell]

Yes, some business leaders, like Bamford and the Wetherspoons owner support Brexit, but these people are millionaires who are unlikely to suffer from the effects of No Deal;  do you think they care if us plebs suffer?  In the last war, we had rationing, but the rich could still eat at the Ritz.
I’ve seen lots of interviews with expats, who are bitter they weren’t allowed a vote..  One retiree, a diabetic, turned up at his pharmacy every month with his E111 form for his insulin;  after Brexit, this will cost him £1800 a month.  Will he stay there;  I don’t think so.  He is not an isolated case.  How many pensioners do you know who don’t rely on their prescriptions?
Carney predicted a big downturn after Brexit, and the right wing press are gloating that he’s been proved wrong.  Brexit hasn’t happened yet, so we’ll see if his predictions were right or not then. 
80,000 businesses have today received a government contingency plan for a No Deal Brexit.  Firms like Toyota rely on a constant supply of parts;  if those parts are stuck in Dover, hundreds of workers will be laid off.
Project Fear has it’s basis in hard facts.

[Highlander]

Lindsey

What does the fact that Tim Martin is a self made millionaire have to do with the agrument. (Incidently he provides employment for 37,000 people).

Tony Blair (who the last time I looked wasn't down to his last euro) is calling for a second referendum. Do you seriously think he cares about "us plebs"

Is it the case that ex-pats who have not lived abroad for more than fifteen years were allowed to vote ?

I understand that the present rules regarding the E111 issue will remain as is until 2020 and that there is no agreement thereafter.

Wit respect, twenty-one-plus grand a year seems a lot - may I ask who came up with this figure.

[Highlander]

I tried to add this in my last post but was timed out......

The UK paid out £674 million in health costs to European countries, but received only £49 million in return.

[LindseyMitchell]

I have no problem with Tim Martin, and have great respect and admiration for self made millionaires;  I’ve visited Wetherspoons pubs in many parts of the country.  The point I was trying to make was that, as a millionaire, he personally will be immune from many of the effects of Brexit which will be suffered by the population as a whole.
I agree with Tony Blair that there should be a second referendum, with ‘Remain’ as an option.  He too would have the same immunity which would be enjoyed by Tim Martin, but seems to care more about the effects on the general population.  I am not bitter about TB making millions;  I did not contribute to his wealth.
No ex pat received a vote on Brexit, and £1800 was the figure the man was quoted for his insulin by his pharmacy.  I don’t see why he would lie.
As for the discrepancy in health costs, I would ask how many Brits visit Spain, France, Italy and other European countries on holiday and how many Spaniards come here?  How many British retirees and workers live in Spain and France compared to how many Spaniards live here.  I can’t imagine Spanish pensioners wanting to retire here.
Pensioners cost a lot in terms of healthcare, and many will have to eventually sell up and return to the U.K.  They will have to sell their Spanish, French or Italian villas and apartments, probably at knock down prices due to a glut on the market, and it is unlikely that many of them will not be able to afford to buy homes here.  Where will they live?  Will they contribute to the economy in terms of tax and national insurance as Polish and Eastern Europeans do, and will they live happily ever after;  I think not.

[davybill]

Will you and the remainers be happy if there is a second referendom
And the vote is still leave?Idoubt it.😎😎