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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: nichola on February 16, 2014, 14:52:21 PM
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On the 18th of September Scotland will vote to either stay as part of the UK or opt for independence.
Assuming we all have a say (which we don't) which way would you vote?
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Good Grief Nichola, you don't know what you've started here!!! Gordon and Lorraine will now take over this thread hahahahahahaha ;D
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Haha I hope so. Just doing as Keith requested in his I'm sort of leaving speech ;)
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I'm for staying. I can't see any good coming to Scotland if the split happens.
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I rarely meet anyone up here who is for independence (although the ones who are seem by far more vocal about it).
What about independence but where they stay "in" the pound, still have BBC and keep the bits they like.
A bit like how it is now.
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Russ I told you before, if Gordon wants his independence he can have it, but I keep the pounds ;)
All the Scots that now live in England and else where do not vote, yet the English who now live in Scotland can. I feel another History lesson looming.
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Not just English - Northern Irish, Poles, Welsh ;)
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I'll vote for the Scots idf they will vote for the Cornish.
KERNOW VYS BYKEN!!!!!!
TC >:( >:( >:(
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If they stay then they should be on an even footing ie. prescription charges, uni fees etc.
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Born and Bred Jock, better together, so my vote is no, Nichola im sure it is the 18th.
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Yep stay together.
Noisy neighbours perhaps (it's probably the whiskey), but a vital part of the Union.
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Here we go then ! ...................................................................Basically, I don't give a toss either way, it won't put any more money in my pocket, or take any more out, so I won't lose sleep over it !! 8) ;)
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Yep stay together.
Noisy neighbours perhaps (it's probably the whiskey), but a vital part of the Union.
Suehugh Whiskey is Irish. Whisky is Scottish. I will vote to stay with a United Kingdom. I know too much about Alex Salmond to even trust him to get me a bottle of milk.
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Born and Bred Jock, better together, so my vote is no, Nichola im sure it is the 18th.
You are quite right. I have edited my initial post to avoid any confusion :)
I wondered what people thought of this in today's Independent which seems to have caused Alex Salmond to have something of a hissy fit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/yes-vote-would-not-guarantee-all-of-alex-salmonds-independence-plans-9126984.html
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Damn. I voted the wrong way. I thought "Aye" meant "Yes" in the actual vote. Perhaps someone who wants to vote "No" might vote "Nay" to make things right. Fat chance.
Oh, I see new improved voting allows you to change your mind. Pity it isn't like that in real life.
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Sorry, it's the half Irish bit of me. Whiskey, whisky, scotch though are all the same to me.
Hugh
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Go for it Scotland.
What in Gods name have Posh Dave and other entirely London based chinless wonders got in common with Scotland.
They get their answer regularly at the polls with virtually no elected reps north of the border.
Many English people feel understandably disgruntled enough to push for an EU referendum with their ire centred on their belief that issues and policies which affect their daily lives are subject to decisions taken far from London by people they do not elect and are entirely outside of their control- Welcome to our world ( Edinburgh/Belfast)
Go for it Scotland- definitely better independent and free
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I'm loving the whiskey / whisky correction - glasshouses time ! ;D
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I can understand you saying that as you are in Ireland. I only know one person who has said he would vote for Salmond, like Scunner says, most folks don't want Independence. However, Alex Salmond would lead us to disaster. He was best friends with Fred Goodwin who he up us as a wonder banker (I did say banker). Then he held up Iceland and Ireland as examples of great independence with wonderful economies.
I will not go into detail, but he allowed a lovely local School to go to pot because they had the wrong Head Master who ruined the school and even after a deputation from the local parents, he said he would help and did nothing. 1/3 of the children left and went to another school. After a year of more total incompetence the Head Teacher was moved to an desk job which did not last, he is now a barman. I and other parents will never forgive Salmond for his lack of help. However, as he could gain no publicity, he washed his hands of us.
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People of Scotland should look to their pride and self respect.
If there was a vote amongst the English re Scotland they would dump them tomorrow.
Better Independent
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The vote result will show how many Scots believe that independence is better. I'd suggest way less than 50% see it that way :)
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I have lived in England and Scotland. I also have Irish heritage I have spent a lot of time in Ireland and I would say, come and live in Scotland, it's a totally different situation to the Eire Northern Ireland one.
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Maybe yes maybe no Scunner
But as this is a process whilst a victory is preferable, a good percentage is an excellent bridgehead to build on.
Even if they dont win on this occasion Scot Nats aren't going to become pro London . The political campaign continues .
I agree Jacqui its a VERY different situ.
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The big question centres around oil. Will Scotland be better off? Well, oil tax revenue to the UK is around the same as what the UK treasury give to Scotland.
If oil related tax revenues go up, Scotland is better off. If they decline (and most think they will sooner or later), Scotland would have been financially better staying in the Union.
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Maybe
But I do find it interesting as I have previously posted that many English feel it a disgrace that faraway politicians totally detached and unrepresentative of them make decisions which effect their lives, yet expect Scots to be happy with a govt with no support and even less interest in Scotland.
Have a poll around London- lets face it for those in power thats mainly the only place that counts- about what they think of Scotland. Most would need a map to find it.
Go for it Scotland, don't belittle yourselves staying in a failing club that doesnt want you!!!
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At the end of the day it is beautiful that people can make Braveheartesque calls for Scots to stand up and take control of their beloved country and stop a London based group of Etonians with no support in Scotland deciding how those north of the border should live.
But ultimately, they will vote the way they think will put more in their purse, or take less out. I can't see many concluding that an independent Scotland will be the wealthier future.
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Well its up to the Scots- their country their vote.
I hope sooner rather than later they go for independence.
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Yes true - I also tend to agree with Jacqui that independence might have stood a better chance with someone a little more credible than Salmond heading the campaign. No facts, no answers, just "it will be ok".
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People of Scotland should look to their pride and self respect.
If there was a vote amongst the English re Scotland they would dump them tomorrow.
Better Independent
So if I, or anyone else, votes No, we have no pride in our country or self respect in ourselves >:(.
Rubbish !!!!!
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As I say its your call not mine.
If you're happy being ruled by those with no interest and even less support in your country its your call.
I can only give my own view and certainly wouldn't want to be part of a club where at best the majority couldn't care less if I was in or out
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Saoirse
I honestly don't know how the Scottish people can be expected to make an informed decision when there is such uncertainty surrounding such key issues as the pound and as of today the EU.
As time goes by I believe more and more people will be become less and less tolerant of the SNP's always unsubstantiated dismissal of counter arguments to their promises.
I also firmly believe that Scottish Independence will benefit the Central Belt far in excessive of the regions, such as the Highlands, much as the South East of England benefits more than the regions in England.
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Well there are lies spin and smoke n mirrors on both sides hence its totally the job of Scots to weigh up their future, no one else's- including the likes of Posh Dave who along with all of his tyoe couldn't care less.
The Scots sure know that all right- they tell his ilk at ballot time
We will find out in Sept and thereafter. I am quite confident from an outsiders soundings, a good base can be put down to take Independence forward.
My own view- go for it Scotland, freedom autonomy, self determination. Better Independent.
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As you say Saoirse we will see in September. :)
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Is it right that a minority could vote to break up the United Kingdom.
Surely that's not democracy.
The referendum should be a national vote. Not a Nationlist whim.
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The minority could well break up the union if the majority don't bother to vote against it.
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If they do does it mean they will have Andy Murray back?
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No, Andy Murray is a Gt Brit as are the as are the Scots Curling teams if they medal
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I'm not sure he thinks like that
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All three UK political parties..."An independent Scotland cannot share the pound"
Alex Salmond..."Yes we can"
The EU "An independent Scotland cannot automatically be part of the EU"
Alex Salmond..."Yes we can"
He reminds me of a spoiled child, telling the people who have the power that they can't tell him no. Idiot - he's looking like he is losing any grip on reality he may once have had, and actually looking quite ridiculous lately.
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Watched his speech yesterday. He has no plan B should he not get Sterling or not be allowed to join the E.U.
If I had of been considering voting for him, this would definitely have made my mind up.
I am sure he is allowing 16 year olds to vote in the hope they will not know enough about him and his non policies.
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Have to agree with Jacqui. Anyone up here who knows Alec Salmond wouldn't dream of voting for him. He is as much help as a chocolate teapot.
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All three UK political parties..."An independent Scotland cannot share the pound"
Alex Salmond..."Yes we can"
Salmond is right about that point at least. No country can prevent another country from using its currency. There are a great many examples of this around the world - usually by having the US$ as their chosen currency. The Westminster parties, when on their best behaviour, say "Scotland cannot have a currency union" but they aren't often on best behaviour and so say "Scotland cannot have the pound" which is simply untrue. We could argue about whether it would be good for Scotland to have the £ without a currency union, and personally I think it is their best choice, but there's no point in arguing about whether Osborne can stop them from having it - he can't.
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I am sure we can all trust Mr Salmond with our currency here in Scotland he was formally employed RBS and held the ex "Sir" Fred Godwin as his close friend, who Salmond said would be great help to Scotland.
Salmond was our local M.P. for 23 years, in all that time I cannot recall one good thing he did for our area. I can recall the many many complaints from local people who told of asking him for help and him doing nothing.
I also don't know anyone in my circle of friends acquaintances, or family who have a good word for this man. A man that was never seen to use any local businesses or put his face into anything (unless it was in the press).
I remember 22 years ago their were 15 Antique Shops in my area, we got together and produced an Antique Trail. I was part of an Organisation to help to promote all businesses in the area (not just antiques) We asked for help from our local M.P. he did what he always did for us, nothing... >:(
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If Scotland gains its independence after the forthcoming referendum, the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the "Former United Kingdom
In a bid to discourage Scots from voting yes in the referendum, Lib.Dems have now begun a campaign with the slogan: "Please Vote No For FUK's sake" ;D ;) :o
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Ooooh Jacqui, i'm blushing. !! :-[
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The new Scottish Krankies.
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Ha ha love it
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People of Scotland should look to their pride and self respect.
This is what it means to be Scottish in or out of the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-26282037
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" Suffer the little children " etc.
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Scotland are free to make the choice, which is correct and as it should be. However, I see this issue from a different perspective, in that it is about democratic deficit for the English. No English Parliament, or even regional assemblies, and until recently we had Scottish MPs voting through Health and Education legislation for the English, that they would not dare put to their own constituents through the Scottish Parliament. Why are the English (and indeed the Welsh and the Northern Irish) not getting a vote at the same time as the Scots on the continuation of the United Kingdom?
We could then hopefully get back to the policy and debate led politics of the English radical past, before the Scots (and before them the Norman French) and then more recently the Germans came to rule us.
“I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live, as the greatest he”
Colonel Rainsborough
New Model Army at Putney
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It's getting closer to vote on Scottish Independence.
Some time ago I started this poll with the question...
Do you think that Scotland should stay as part of the UK?
At the moment 79% of those that voted said Aye/Yes.
Have people changed their mind or do the overwhelming majority still think that Scotland should remain part of the union.
The poll is set so people who have changed their mind can change their vote :)
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Alex Salmond has had a prototype of this Character Jug made by Royal Doulton. He is still unsure whether to let them go into full production yet. I would think September will be the month he decides.
I will still be voting NO.. Nothing will change my mind. I watched an Economist on T.V. the other morning. He was investigating the validity of Salmond's policies to raise the the O.A.Pension to £5.00 per week for each new pensioner and to give existing Pensioners a rise too. Also raising child allowance and giving nursery places to all children who need them. The Economist said he looked at all the figures and cannot see where the money will come from to do this. Personally, I reckon it will be a big hike in taxes.
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No doubt he will be asking for foreign aid from the rest of the UK too.
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A wonderful romantic ideal. Nothing more. I can't see it happening in September, or ever.
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I have no feelings one way or the other really. Only been across the border once and that was last year. what did impress me was the cleanliness and tidiness of the place. just from a gut instinct I hope they stay as part of the uk however I believe that whatever benefits are received from wherever in the uk should be enjoyed by all.