Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Scunner on February 19, 2014, 16:18:17 PM
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Fethiye mayor Behçet Saatçi is delighted with the support for him and his efforts - as noted in the Mayor poll where he so far has a touch over 90% of the vote.
He has sent a message that also mentions that while he is aware that most CBF members do not have a vote, he feels he represents you just as much as those who do. He has proposed a meeting for those expats living in the Fethiye area so he can meet some of you and you can ask about things that are important to you locally.
A meeting is proposed for this coming Tuesday (25th) in the afternoon, in Fethiye.
All members are welcome to attend, the only thing that is needed is an idea of total numbers. So please feel free to take this as an invitation to you. To keep track of numbers if you can and will attend just add your name(s) below.
This is a great opportunity to find out future plans, and for Behçet Saatçi bey to also get to know what is important to you guys.
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Location details to follow once a rough idea of numbers is known but will be Fethiye centrum.
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That is very open, courteous generous and welcoming of him. Very well done Mr Mayor. And VERY best wishes for your re election. Scunner, quite a scoop, excellent stuff.
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Superb news - reflects well on everyone involved - well done :-)
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I start the ball rolling, I'll be happy to go along.
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Unfortunately I will not be in Turkey at this time, but I have a question that I would like asked by anyone who will attend the meeting.--
Will there be a footbridge across the canal to replace the one taken down, and also a footbridge to connect the two parts of Yerguzlar Caddesi.
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What a nice offer from a lovely mayor. (can't go as busy on Tuesdays, unfortunately.)
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Can he fly me out for this meeting?
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I would love to attend but will not be out until the 30th March 14 but what an inspired Mayor he must be and what a level of support he has. Good luck with the meeting.
Kevin
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I would have loved to attend this meeting but not in Turkey til March.
Please let Behçet Saatçi know, Scunner, that numbers attending the meeting may not truly reflect the interest and passion that us non Turks have for Fethiye and that we are all keeping a weather eye on the elections.
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Mmmmmmm not sure this is anything but a pre election media opportunity to present the guy in a good light with the real voters. I would be more impressed if it was post election invite by the Mayor, whoever HE is, to hear of issues that he could help the foreign community with.
Does not always pay to kiss off other hopeful candidates and their paties in an election period and into the future. It does get remembered, especially when others win now or in the future. My advice is to not be too partisan at this pre election period.
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I would love to go and come on CBF'ers, this guy has really improved our area and continues to do so. Let's give him a bit of support.
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Mmmmmmm not sure this is anything but a pre election media opportunity to present the guy in a good light with the real voters. I would be more impressed if it was post election invite by the Mayor, whoever HE is, to hear of issues that he could help the foreign community with.
Does not always pay to kiss off other hopeful candidates and their paties in an election period and into the future. It does get remembered, especially when others win now or in the future. My advice is to not be too partisan at this pre election period.
The guy was unaware of the support shown in the poll. He wants to let you expats know his plans and understand better what you might like. If he gets good publicity in the process then great, he deserves it. Which other candidates want to meet a group who can't even vote for them...precisely none.
It reminds me of the meetings we used to arrange at the Orient - people have opinions on everything, what the belediye get wrong, what they should be doing - but when they get a chance to speak face to face, they find every reason under the sun why they won't be going...
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Anyway I don't live there and that's me for this topic as I'm off to Spain at the crack of dawn. Meet at Address Cafe where my good friend & dentist Cagatay Aras will be there at 13:45 to show you the way to the Belediye office for a 14:00 meeting with the mayor.
It would be helpful still if you can indicate how many of you will be coming in a reply to this topic. But not compulsory.
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Count me in as well.
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The guy was unaware of the support shown in the poll.
Really Scunner that is not what you said in your opening post to this thread?
Anyway let me try to be clearer on the point I made. Engaging in dialogue with the local politicians is to be welcomed, in whichever form it takes. However, at election time as 'guests' in Turkey it pays not to be seen, real or perceived, as supporters of a single candidate. Different when you have an elected encumbent, but even then you need to be open to any opposition. Yes we should meet this guy, but equally we need to be saying we would also welcome meetings with other candidates .. Not perhaps taking a stance of we will meet him because he has been generous enough to meet us, and the others haven't so sod 'em.
Finally as is being implied with the comparison to the Orient meetings, I am not advocating snubbing or denigrating this particular meeting, but simply urging caution in how we engage during election time. One thing I would say is that knowing politicos as I do, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the herd mentality kick in and other invites follow!
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I won't bother reading the last paragraphs as I am busy getting ready.
Let me repunctuate the part you quoted.
The mayor was unaware of the support, shown in the poll.
For the hard of understanding, here goes: The mayor learned that he had great support from non-nationals when he was shown the poll. Before that, he had no idea at all.
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Thanks for clearing up that point.
Hard of understanding, I will wear that as a badge of honour in all my future comments..LOL ;D ;D
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Oh yes and put me down for a place at the meeting.
But as the good old beeb say at election time, that there are other candidates standing, and. I can be available to meet some of them too.
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Regrettably we are already committed to other things on that day but would be very interested to see post meeting reports on CBF from any members attending. 8)
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Have great respect for the Mayor and all he has achieved in Fethiye over the years. Unfortunately, we are unable to attend as we are in the UK at the moment.
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You know what, I might go and have a little look see. I am interested what his future plans for the area are. I know from reading previous threads he has done alot. So count me in please. Err slik might be another matter. :-X :-[
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Slightly off topic but is Koca Calis now under Fethiye? I know it was supposed to all change sometime soon. Does this mean he will be our Mayor as well or will we still have the Ciftlik one?
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well the discussion is going to different subject now but i would like to add some words please.
first of all ; the foreigners can not vote for local election but it is such a great gesture from behcet saatci(current mayor) to realize and wants to listen you. because you live here, pay council tax and same rights as any other turkish citizen. the mayor should not be listening only his party members nor support them. once you are a mayor you are not mayor of party, you are mayor of whole town either they voted for you or not. at this point it is great for behcet saatci to invite you.
but i would also recommend if someone in fethiye arrange a meeting with other candidates too. that would make it better for everybody. one day listen top chp candidate, the other day listen AKP candidate , even though you can not vote , they should listen to you and your needs. it is a win win situation as they will get better publicity for them and you will secure your rights (better beleldiye services for foreigners etc. )
to sum up , it is great to meet behcet saatci but you should arrange a meeting with other candidates. also now kemer is being same status as fethiye and i believe lots of expats in kemer , would be nice if kemer canditates would arrange same meeting in kemer.
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In my opinion, he has been pretty consistent for the past 10 years, not just before election time...although things have gathered pace a bit lately.
I have produced and submitted 2 projects to the Mayor's office and they have both been taken seriously. One about the childrens play areas in the area (you may have read about this in the Land of Lights) and at the end of last year, another one sighting the need for a sports complex including a running track, so that youngsters especially can try out different sporting disciplines - no state schools or private ones in this area have access to things like long jump, javelin, short/long distance running etc etc. There is now such a facility planned for the Esen Köy area, assuming he remains in power...As a Turkish citizen, a mayor who actually listens when a valid point is made is all I really want.
I will be at the meeting needless to say!
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I've just had a call from Çagatay who tells me that the Mayor is very keen not only to have this initial meeting but also if it's seen as a success would also wish to continue with similar meetings on a regular basis should he be elected.
Çagatay has stressed that it's important to supply accurate numbers of people attending so that suitable meeting space can be arranged, also if you wish to discuss a particular topic or ask a question, could you indicate the subject on here so that the Mayor can be prepared to supply up to date and correct information.
I've promised to supply the final head count by Monday evening. So please let us know if your coming and any topic you want covered.
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We will be there too. We have no fear of showing our support for a man who has done a lot for Fethiye, politics aside. We will be interested to hear what his plans are for Uzumlu, especially the roads, and if he does not mention the village we will ask him.
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Rimms, I was typing my reply above while you posted. Can you ask him to include his plans for Uzumlu in the meeting, particularly the poor state of the roads. (we have not had a proper road for 7 years!)
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There is no doubt that the locals have a lot of respect for him as I witnessed in Iskelle Rest' one evening (couple of weeks ago) It was evident the warmth and sincerity that he gives out (even if he had reserved the table by the fire I had my eye on when entering ;) He really
is just a caring normal guy who does not need the razzmatazz of todays sickly politicians.
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OK.
Agenda so far is looking like this :
Calis to Fethiye Promenade - What is planned
Uzumlu - Future plans
Internet - What pressure can be brought on TTNET to bring broadband
Baris Manco Cycle lane - Will no parking be enforced
Please confirm if you are going and either post your question or PM me with it. On Monday evening Çagatay will translate our questions ready for the meeting on Tuesday
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Please Rimms, could you let us have the results of the Meeting? It would be very interesting to see the answers to these questions.
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Will do Jacqui
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Hi Rimms,
we wont be there, but if possible would be interested to hear what's happening with the beach road from Seaside to the Surf Club.
Last year I heard he planned to close at least part of it (in front of the Jiva Hotel & Sunset Beach) to traffic following the tragic accident with the young lad.
Thanks
Ian
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Slightly off topic but is Koca Calis now under Fethiye? I know it was supposed to all change sometime soon. Does this mean he will be our Mayor as well or will we still have the Ciftlik one?
From begining of April, Fethiye takes over the running of Ciftlik, so Fethiye's mayor will become yours too
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I'll be there and I would like to know if he can see his way to build on the excellent recycling efforts in the last couple of years around Fethiye streets to the coast line and other beauty spots popular with picnickers.
Specifically would he be prepared to organize and promote a public campaign aimed at children, young people and adults on the importance of looking after and protecting our environment which could include workshops in schools and colleges, billboard advertising and public notices along the coastline and picnic sites on the importance of and reasons why we should take our rubbish home or put it in a bin provided for that purpose.
Also to take preventive steps and prohibitive measures e.g. hefty fines to stop the dumping of building materials and other unwanted household rubbish in the countryside.
I don't know if there is a proper dump in Fethiye but if there isn't maybe there should be and perhaps the council could set up a service that local people could contact to take away said rubble/rubbish to help minimize dumping.
Also local businesses are required to separate their rubbish for recycling. Are there plans to extend this to households in the area?
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Hey, UBT, your wish has been granted. You are cordially invited to meet another candidate for Mayor ;D
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/topicseen./calis_beach_questions_and_information/mayor_candidate_wants_meet_you_too_54304.0.html
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Hey, UBT, your wish has been granted. You are cordially invited to meet another candidate for Mayor ;D
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/topicseen./calis_beach_questions_and_information/mayor_candidate_wants_meet_you_too_54304.0.html
Yes I have just left thread after leaving a post, and was coming back to this thread to draw others attention this invite. Will there be others, such as the CHP? BTW the gift of foresight can sometimes be a burden on such young shoulders as mine!
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OK will add those topics to the agenda, anyone else going to join us ? My Turkish friends tell me that he has 80% of the votes and so we might be talking to the man in charge, please come along and at least let the politicians know that we exist and have a voice
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I would like to come and my questıon would be are there any Road Improvements and Hotels planned for the beach area from Sunset to Mekans Restaurant in Koca Calıs area when Fethiye takes us over. The new roads put through the area last year are rubbish and do nothing to improve the area its just a mess.
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George 80% of the vote.... Really!
Where did your friend get this information from? Perhaps he is a well known political analyst who has surveyed all the areas of the new Mayorailty. Sort of a Turkish Peter Snow, who has all the facts on all the parties and their candidates at his fingertips. Which allows him to issue forth with bold predictions like that. Or is he just another one of those Turks who talks bollards about things they know nothing about.
If he did know anything, then he wouldn't ignore facts like.
This election is not just the old Fethiye area, where this guy will make a stronger showing, but now includes outlying areas, which will probably disrupt some of the traditional voting patterns in Fethiye and in the outlying areas.. In short all to play for.
That the main national opposition CHP candidate - like him or not - who is also an incumbent Mayor, with both strong local and party support, is standing.
That the AKP have almost certainly targeted this new area, either for a win or at the very least a strong showing.
And finally, and this applies to most democratic countries, if any candidate gets 80% of the popular vote then there must be exceptional local reasons why or the successful candidates mates must have carried out the count!! ;D
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please come along and at least let the politicians know that we exist and have a voice
Too right .... But will this advice apply to the AKP meeting if it gets off the ground... It should.
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UBT, you obviously know a lot more about Turkish politics than I do, in fact that wouldn't be difficult as I don't even know one political party from the other over here and so naively I have passed on the opinion of my Turkish friend who believes that Behcet Saatci has the overwhelming support of the people here, but we will soon see.
What I do know however is that Behcet Saatci has been a really good supporter of the charities that some of us work very hard to support, he has taken time in the past to meet us and has taken actions to show his support. His vision to make Fethiye a world class tourist destination is there for all to see. He is one of the few politicians that seem to take recycling seriously and basically, I think he's a good guy.
You seem to be really keen that the other political parties here listen to the voice of the expats, so why don't you take up the offer made by Yotgoz and organise the meeting with the other candidate. I for one would be very happy to come along and listen.
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Hi - Wont be back in Turkey until the following week after the meeting but would be interested to know if/what plans the mayor would have for Ovacik/Hisaronu if he were to win. Would improvements to the area like the changes we have seen in Fethiye including improving road infrastructure be part of the progress for the area?
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I think Nichola has made some good points. The rubbish and mess in Calis and Fethiye does, I know, cause concern to tourists. I have read on Trip Advisor holiday makers complaining about the rubbish strewn around.
I would love to see a city dump where us property owners could take rubbish. I would also like to see re-cycling.
Looking forward to hearing the results of this meeting.
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I plan to attend the meeting.
My question is,"Should you be re-elected what projects do you have planned ,to improve Fethiye and the surrounding area for the next five years?"
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Rimms, we will be putting it on the Uzumlu Village News FB site. Is Monday evening or morning the cut off time for numbers and questions?
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Hi Eric, I've been asked to supply details by Monday evening
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I believe Bernie (slikmrs) may be attending this meeting and hope, along with markaren, we can ask what will be done to improve the road surfaces around Ovacik please?
I also offer full support to Nichola's questions - waste/fly tipping and recycling measures in the Fethiye region are a concern to many of us.
Genuinely wish I was there to attend and meet Mr Saatchi. Please reiterate George, that attendance figures may not be a true reflection of the concerns or real passion us expats have for the Fethiye area.
And thank you very much for organising this opportunity.
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I plan to attend the meeting.
My question is,"Should you be re-elected what projects do you have planned ,to improve Fethiye and the surrounding area for the next five years?"
If you want a rough idea of the projects planned between 2014 and 2019 you can take a walk around the Democratic Party's voters headquarters which is open to anyone. It's opposite the PTT and along slightly. It has pictures of the Mayor on the windows. You can't miss it. There are plenty of sporting and open space projects as well as an acheology museum for starters...
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Hi Eric, I've been asked to supply details by Monday evening
We have stated that deadline so will get back to you by then,,,
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The plan is to meet at the address bar which is just down from where the Calis water taxi docks. We will meet Cagatay at 13:45 who will be our interpreter and make our way over to the council office for a 14:00 meeting.
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UBT, you obviously know a lot more about Turkish politics than I do .... well that is clear from your 80% statement
What I do know however is that Behcet Saatci has been a really good supporter of the charities that some of us work very hard to support, he has taken time in the past to meet us and has taken actions to show his support. His vision to make Fethiye a world class tourist destination is there for all to see. He is one of the few politicians that seem to take recycling seriously and basically, I think he's a good guy. ....... if you knew the whole area and candidates you'd also know that the same case could be made for the CHP candidate, even if he is dodgy.
You seem to be really keen that the other political parties here listen to the voice of the expats, so why don't you take up the offer made by Yotgoz and organise the meeting with the other candidate. I for one would be very happy to come along and listen.
The central point I made was not that I, or indeed anyone else, should provide facilities and access to other political parties on the basis of even handedness, but that we should be wary of aligning, real or perceived, the foreign residents community with one candidate, no matter how good, bad or indifferent. I hope that makes it clear to you.
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It was perfectly clear from your post on page one. What isn't clear is your reluctance to get off your backside and carry out your desire to make sure that other candidates also hear the expat voice, despite the opportunity being offered to you on a number of occasions.
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Helen Barclay and myself look forward to attending the meeting next Tuesday.
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My my George you are entering the realm of the misdirected personal attack. Get off my backside to organise something that I never said I wanted in the first place? Such comments I would certainly not expect from a member of the 'great and good' like you.
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Fair comment, enough said. See you on Tuesday
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Does Mr Saatci speak English or do we need a translator.
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The Forums favourite dentist Çagatay Aras will translate
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Double blessed, I wonder if he would like at my back fillings at the same time? ;)
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Love to go, but will not be in Fethiye until after meeting. There looks like there will be some good issues raised. Any possibility of suggesting a nice new golf course for Fethiye? Seems to of done well for travel/tourism/money for Belek!
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I am hoping very much to be at the meeting as I would like to ask why it is necessary for the charities to pay tax on the premises they rent privately for charity shops ? Surely the shop owners already pay tax on the income they receive and should we be taxed for helping the needy .We only have a small shop so our tax is only 100 lira per month but I know others pay much more .
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A very good question hubblebubbles, a very valid point.
Good luck with it.
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Not sure if its been asked but are we (owners) going to be charged/taxed for the recent road works that are on going bearing in mind that we have in recent years paid for works done on the same roads
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We will be attending,
Please whoever is the Chairperson don't let it develop into a shouting/slanging match as so many meetings do.
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George, that would be me. I will be submitting the questions to be asked and the person who is going to ask them. I will do this by Monday evening and I will post the list on here. On Tuesday at the meeting I will call the relevant people to ask their question, it's one question only per person and Çagatay will translate both the question and the answer given by the mayor. Because of the language translation we will not have the time or the opportunity to enter into heated debate.
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Sadly I am in the uk and cannot attend... George could you please ask about the new residency rules and the now alleged counting back on the visa for us that are not expats but have holiday homes and are wishing to maybe spend a lot of time in Turkey spending money etc there...Why can it not be left as it was 90/180 days then new visa purchased...None us want to risk getting a ban from returning to our beloved Turkey simply because the rules were not clear... Thank you very much in advance if you are able to do this...
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Was hoping to make it but will be in UK then. Look forward to reading the "minutes"
TC
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Looking forward to hearing of the outcome George - thanks to you & Cagatay for giving up your time
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And to Keith for the initial idea and landing me with the Turkish side organisation. He's such a mate.
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We very much appreciate it Rimms. Very much.
All the questions raised are relevant to so many of us.
Thank you!
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This does nothing to promote this beautiful area and perhaps the Mayor would consider the negative effects this sort of wanton litter making has on tourism. Not to mention the health and safety considerations. Imagine some poor child running on to that glass!
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I wanted to post the agenda but it is in a word document and basically the format is all over the place on here. I've summarised your questions to aid translation. I will ask the questions for those who can't attend and I will call attendees to ask their own questions. We leave the address cafe at 13:45 on Tuesday
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Just a quick one George, with the litter question, the example Menthol is showing above is Koca Calis, this comes under Ciftlik Belideye not Fethiye, yet, can't blame the guy for something outside his area. I know it is just as bad around Calis and Fethiye, so need an example from there really.
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There are always posting on T.A. about Calis Beach and the rubbish. One recent one, the poster asked was he making a mistake as he heard Calis was a dirty place. Others joined in complaining about the mess. Also about cigarette ends on the beach. It has been the the same on T.A. for a number of years. One complaint that is aired each year is the messy overflowing bins in the town, particular the one at the end of the road leading from the Oykun to the Golden Moon apparently the bin there is really bad with Hotel staff just leaving stuff on the road when the bin is full.
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I will attend meeting and have the question on announcements via tannoys all around. I remember a petition was done a couple of years ago asking could they be announced in English as well . I understand that they often call for blood donors of unusual blood groups but we do not understand the call for it but would have more chance of someone having the blood group they require.
My husband would like to know why there is a two tier pricing structure on certain things e.g. fishing license. Foreigner 150tl yr and Turkish 15tl year.
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One of the questions is specifically about Litter and rubbish. Is anyone attending in a position to jot down the answers given to each question? I'm happy to type them up but will be a bit busy on Tuesday keeping things on track and on time.
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Do you have anyone who could volunteer to take the minutes? I don't think you can be expected to do everything George. It's not an easy job. Shorthand anyone?? ;)
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I don't mind doing minutes if no one else can do them George
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Linda thank you very much, see you Tuesday
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Not sure if its been asked but are we (owners) going to be charged/taxed for the recent road works that are on going bearing in mind that we have in recent years paid for works done on the same roads
I'd also like to know the answer to this.
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I will attend meeting and have the question on announcements via tannoys all around. I remember a petition was done a couple of years ago asking could they be announced in English as well . I understand that they often call for blood donors of unusual blood groups but we do not understand the call for it but would have more chance of someone having the blood group they require.
My husband would like to know why there is a two tier pricing structure on certain things e.g. fishing license. Foreigner 150tl yr and Turkish 15tl year.
I am going to raise the tannoy announcements myself at the meeting, but from a different tack. I am going to suggest that the announcement is documented and e-mailed in english to everyone who signs up for the service on a council web page. I should think near 100% of foreigners use e-mail (and check it regularly).
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Why not both ?
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A bit late I know .......... and maybe not one the Mayor can answer ......
What will be the situation regarding connecting the household drains to the recently installed sewers ?
Will this become compulsory for all streets where sewers have been installed ?
Will there be a standard cost and will there be a list of Belediye approved contractors ?
To be honest I have a whole heap of questions regarding this - but ANY clarification would be good.
Many thanks to everyone involved with this meeting - I really hope your efforts are rewarded.
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I hope the meeting goes well tomorrow.
Can we please all keep in mind that subjects such as fishing licences, residency fees/rules and flytipping laws etc are not things that usually fall under the responsibility of a standard town council though....
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Hotels and restaurants scattering rubbish around bins is not fly-tipping. However, if there was a council dump, which, I would think is within the remit of the local council, perhaps there would not be so much fly tipping.
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I am not saying residency rules are the responsibility of the local town council, but it is very hard indeed for one to be responsible for making sure we don't exceed our dates on visas but this is a hard task to do when no one is sure what those rules are in the first place...
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I reallh wanted to attend,but i,m not feeling well this week, caught a chill. The question I wanted to ask, was if there are any plans to reinstate the dolmus/bus service on the top road at Ovacik. For those of us without our own transport, dragging your shopping up from bottom road isn,t much fun. Will I still be able to get the question answered?
Thanks
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I would think not now.
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No I'm afraid not but he has indicated that if he gets re-elected, he will hold these meetings on a regular basis so we can make sure he carries out his promises. I thought he came across very well at the meeting, I for one wish him the very best in the election
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Ok, thanks anyway sorry I couldnt attend.