Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Turkey Discussion Forum (Not Calis specifically) => Topic started by: Colwyn on March 30, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
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Hurriyet will be streaming live election results for one of the most significant elections for years. Results expected from 19.00 Turkish time/18.00 BST. The key result to look out for seems to be whether CHP can take the post of Istanbul Mayor from AKP (but given the size of the city's electorate - approx. 10m voters - I guess it will come in late in the evening or tomorrow. 1 million Instanbulites are reported to have left by bus in the last two days to get back to their home towns to vote. Imagine what Istanbul Central Bus Station has been like!
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/local-elections-special-coverage-by-hurriyet-daily-news-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=64280&NewsCatID=338
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Let's hope the results aren't already compiled and just waiting to be released!
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2 people dead in Hatay after fight.
4 people dead in Şanlıurfa.
Topless women protest at RTE's polling station.
Tweets allege but this is not confirmed by any other source that carrier bags of pre stamped ballots papers for AKP have been found in Istanbul and Ankara.
And everyone having a laugh about RTE jacket... Not sure what that's about.
Doğan is on official election duty locally and he says it is very busy.
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Results can be viewed as they are announced here: Haberler (http://www.haberler.com/)
In another count, the death toll so far, all election related, stands at eight.
JF
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Whilst our attention is directed towards possible electoral finagling by AKP in Turkey I note that the top story in today's New York Times is about possible electoral finagling by the Republican Party in the USA.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/us/new-gop-bid-to-limit-voting-in-swing-states.html?emc=edit_th_20140330&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=48388843&_r=0
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Thanks for the links to the results sites, I was hoping to find something like these to inform me of what is going on, both nationally and locally. I am a psephologist of the UK political scene of many years, and I am keen to see what happens here in Turkey.
Loved the story of the carrier bags full of pre stamped ballots .... as they say in many parts of Ireland - only part tounge in cheek - vote early and vote often ;)
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And everyone having a laugh about RTE jacket... Not sure what that's about.
Doğan is on official election duty locally and he says it is very busy.
You'd better rush out and buy Dogan one of these before they are all sold out. This season's must-have.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/RTEVote_zps1dbfc00b.jpg)
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:D ;D :D :D
Actually he has just developed a thing about having a sports jacket. I suppose if he is planning to take up golf!!!
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Been hearing both Istanbul & Ankara over 50% AK Party so far.
JF
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Latest news on BBC World is that Ankara and Istanbul are very very close!
Ah sorry John didn't see your last post :)
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After training in election duties officials carry the bags of ballots papers home with them until election day! Source Vatan newspaper 28th March
(http://s30.postimg.org/v6y1s0my5/Ballots_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/v6y1s0my5/)
And here they are waiting with the bags of ballot papers for the bus!
(http://s15.postimg.org/v06e9r9h3/Ballots_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/v06e9r9h3/)
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Results for Fethiye can be viewed here - its incredibly close at the moment but they are still counting and a way to go yet.
http://secim2014.hurriyet.com.tr/ilce/fethiye-1116
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No, its not close. You've forgotten about the six sacks of pro AK Party ballot papers kept in reserve.
JF
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I haven't been so full of anticipation since 1997 :o
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Nationwide results can be viewed here
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/election2014/election.html
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I haven't been so full of anticipation since 1997 :o
So did he ask you back for a coffee or not then, in 1997. Or were you talking about the elections?
JF
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Thanks for the update Nichola, keep it coming :)
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Actually I can't stand the suspense so me and my camera are going into town. Seems there is quite a lot of activity around the culture centre and at the rate they are counting we have got quite a wait before we know whats really going on :)
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The intrepid girl reporter heads off into the night on the trail of a scoop carrying her trusty camera!!
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So did he ask you back for a coffee or not then, in 1997. Or were you talking about the elections?
JF
Great minds... :D :D :D
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(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFdXySMQPW4AIK005-WZ13cVo5OnAuV8bjFOwGjyU6cT1f6FoiAg)
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Any news for Fethiye yet?
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http://secim2014.hurriyet.com.tr/ilce/fethiye-1116
Saatci hands down
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Am I missing something or is the AKP vote up across the country from the 2009 elections - 39% in 2009 and currently running at 43% ?
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http://secim2014.hurriyet.com.tr/ilce/fethiye-1116
Saatci hands down
AKP 27% though - in one of their weakest areas? Scary stuff.
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Am I missing something or is the AKP vote up across the country from the 2009 elections - 39% in 2009 and currently running at 43% ?
No, you're not missing anything.
JF
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It looks to me that all the mud slinging by the opposition parties (not referring to Fethiye) has meant that they forgot to actually make their case as to exactly what they stood for / would do / policies etc.
Consequently - better the party you know ......
He looks more bomb proof than ever after this?
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Yes Ian, that's how I read it too.
As I mentioned a few weeks ago - here we have a country where (and I forget exactly) 40% of AKP voters believe they are corrupt but will still vote for them...
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Closest run region nearest to us in Fethiye is Antalya - only 1% between CHP (leading) and AKP.
Oh and Seydikemer appears to be an easy victory for AKP
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Soooooo close in Ankara - 15% of votes still to count
http://secim2014.hurriyet.com.tr/il/ankara-6
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Looks like its the CHP sneaking in the extras...
JF
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BiLiNMiYOR had a poor night
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Gosh Ankara is close - that would be the biggest news of the night!
In Fethiye the AKP are very close to going 2nd - does that mean that if there wasn't such a strong popular mayor they would take it next time?
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Definitely yes Ian.
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There has got to be a recount in Ankara if it stays like this - it is 0.09% difference - I can this one being another Florida :-)
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So what now happens to Kerramatin Yilmaz here in Fethiye? Does he remain as a politician or is he now unemployed as the mayor of Fethiye will take over the administration of Olu Deniz.
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So what now happens to Kerramatin Yilmaz here in Fethiye? Does he remain as a politician or is he now unemployed as the mayor of Fethiye will take over the administration of Olu Deniz.
The old political excuse applies at this time...more time to spend with the family. Or in this case perhaps more time to spend in the nick, instead of someone from his family. ;) :o :o
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Election over, votes counted..... Poor Turkey :'(.
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Election over, votes counted..... Poor Turkey :'( .
Actually, no - its not poor Turkey. What you have to remember is that these were local elections, where, just like the UK, many folks vote for the person not the party. I'll admit, the AK Party did better than I'd hoped for but the flip side is that it may bring a bit of stability in the short term. My Carlsberg result would have been for their overall share of the vote to drop to under 40% which would have sent a message without the turmoil a serious loss would have brought.
JF
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I was thinking the same thing re people voting for the person they probably know well locally.
In the meantime it gives time for the real cost of the instability with the financial markets to bite and rising prices to hit people where it hurts most. I do not envisage investors flooding back to put their money in the "most fragile" of the five emerging economies as I have seen suggested elsewhere on the internet.
If things continue as they currently are the state of the economy considered the great achievement of this party might not seem quite such a success in a few months time.
However the opposition is weak and weakened by these results so maybe it'll just be business as usual for ever :(
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If things continue as they currently are the state of the economy considered the great achievement of this party might not seem quite such a success in a few months time.
I don't think their "great achievement" has been viewed as that for some time now. As a business owner, you unfortunately are seeing the repercussions from the past year by way of higher running costs, which ultimately you will have to pass on to your customers. They in turn are getting a better deal (tourists that is) on their lira so in some ways it may not have too great an effect on one sector of your customer base. Businesses who rely wholly on local trade may not fare so well.
Although, we do have to give the AK credit where credit is due - they did stabilise the economy when there was the possibility of another major crisis. You remember 1997 (coffee or otherwise) therefore you'll remember the way things were, massive inflation and no confidence in the lira, almost all business transactions carried out in USD etc - even in the early 2000's inflation was running at 40/50%!
Until there is a credible opposition in TR, the AK will continue to dominate I suspect - we certainly dont want to go back to the coalition scenario where there is a lot of talk and ultimately phuck all actually gets done.
JF
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Voting for the person rather than the party illustrated very well here in Fethiye.Saatci standing for his new party, the Demokrat Parti polls 33% of the vote, but nationwide his party gets less than 1% of the vote.
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So did he ask you back for a coffee or not then, in 1997. Or were you talking about the elections?
JF
Great minds... :D :D :D
This did give a much needed chuckle last night
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Sigh
Record fraud rate: 1418 cases
http://www.sendika.org/2014/03/turkey-local-elections-a-peoples-mobilisation-against-cheating-and-fraud-in-ballot-boxes/
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Can anyone tell me what is the outcome in Ankara?
I am reading differing reports that the AKP are ahead by 0.8% with 97.5% of the vote counted and other reports that they are behind!
Lots of stories of underhanded tactics to stall the count.
Has the count now been been completed and who won?
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Someone told me they still haven't finished - allegations of this that and the next thing. So who knows...
JF
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Thank you John - it would be nice to see the AKP lose it if only for us all to believe we have just seen reasonably free and fair elections!
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There are definitely reports of something going on in Ankara, I'm waiting to get it confirmed from another source. Fascinating stuff if true!
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Sigh
Record fraud rate: 1418 cases
http://www.sendika.org/2014/03/turkey-local-elections-a-peoples-mobilisation-against-cheating-and-fraud-in-ballot-boxes/
So, Turkey; Normal service has been resumed ?? !!
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There are definitely reports of something going on in Ankara, I'm waiting to get it confirmed from another source. Fascinating stuff if true!
Got to be honest, I've had enough. Got final episode of The Walking Dead season 4 and now off to watch the last three back to back.
Zombies... get it?
Ach never mind.
JF
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https://twitter.com/06JAnk/status/450663842373459968
Ankaralı Jan
@06JAnk
Hundreds of Ankara ballot box counts with CHP vote count reduced, omitted or transferred when entered into the YSK database at #tutanakNO
So what is definite is the Ankara vote is not definite. This has been happening all day and is still being counted/photographed/checked/investigated now by volunteers in Ankara
A ballot in which all the CHP vote was given to the HDP.
Many unopened ballot boxes found.
Appeals from CHP HQ for volunteers to help with counting and cross referencing.
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it's a bleeding shambles :(
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That is so sad - I am probably guilty of being naive but like many others I suspect I so much wanted to accept that this result was the wish of the Turkish people with maybe some very small minor discrepancies - not this
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Anybody tried to get on the 'Today Zaman' site? Looks like its been blocked.
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message /menuDetail.action
description The requested resource (/menuDetail.action) is not available.
JBossWeb/2.0.1.GA
they have been scathing of RTE and the AK party. RTE is suing the Editor and Deputy Editor plus 2 reporters. Looks like this is the start of his revenge!
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Can't get it from the UK right now either.
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Its been like that since last night. HDN also having issues, as are several other news sites/agencies.
JF
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Just tried it - working OK in Fethiyeshire
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I can open Today's Zaman using my new mate ZenMate which I am very happy with.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-343516-chp-to-file-appeal-with-ysk-for-alleged-rigging-in-capital.html
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I cant be arsed carrying out diagnostics but I'm fairly sure this is a result of them mucking about with the DNS in TR. Mr Gulen must be a tad peeved...
JF
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Back now (here anyway).
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Couldn't resist.
Bottleneck is TurkTelecom. Getting bounced from one server to another, then all of a sudden straight through - that was 3/4mins ago which ties in with you being able to see TZ. Can you see any images on site?
JF
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Back now
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I haven't been able to access TZ this morning. Have been trying for half hour on three different browsers.
p.s. Hurriyet DN not a problem.
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Its been available sporadically during the past couple of days, but as one of RTE's biggest critics the timing of these issues is surely not coincidental. It appears to be visible from within TR currently, but not from outside. TurkTelecom appear to be assisted by a Swedish company Telia, who could very well be supplying the technology allowing them censor internet content.
JF
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oooh Istanbul recount demanded too now
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/chps-istanbul-candidate-mustafa-sarigul-demands-total-recount-of-votes.aspx?pageID=238&nID=64400&NewsCatID=338
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Winning BDP candidate in Mardin been attacked and shot.
Ballot papers found in bins out the back of polling station.
Cat being blamed for power cuts
"insert another 100 dodgy election dealings here"
Its no wonder the opposition parties are demanding recounts in several key regions.
JF
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Very good article:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/what-did-the-turkish-electorate-say-on-the-sunday-elections.aspx?pageID=449&nID=64360&NewsCatID=412
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Recount in Dalaman and Koycegiz just gone to CHP from AKP . The first of many me thinks. !!
WW
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Ankara - Police attacked those who have been waiting in front of YSK office with Toma around 16.30.
https://www.facebook.com/FaizLobi/photos/a.607366129273606.1073741828.607356035941282/759924777351073/?type=1&theater
Recount in Antalya and ironically the AKP have asked for recount in Izmir.
There is a state of emergency on a town on Syrian border where they demanded a recount.
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Halk TV now showing that in Yalova there was a miscount of 1100 in favour of AKP instead of CHP !!! Recount also going ahead in several cities including Antalya.
WW
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Today Zaman article explaining a lot about news websites being targeted.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-343604-cyber-attacks-on-news-websites-threaten-freedom-of-press-expression.html
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Forget turning water into wine, locating the real holy grail and finding out who really killed JFK - someone has managed the impossible in Ankara.
Statistics show Ankara had a 100%+ turnout (https://twitter.com/erenyanik/status/450923796816334849/photo/1)
JF
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For all you pub quiz fanatics - guess who all those extra people voted for? :angel:
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Here you are Ian. A graph showing the relationship between turnout and margin of victory (or defeat) at the level of individual ballot boxes. As you will see, for ballot boxes of less than 100% turnout the parties are quite close - in fact the CHP has a slight lead. However for turnouts over 100% (over 1 on graph) the AKP has a strong lead. This is especially well shown in ballots of 120% turnout. I bet that surprises you.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/Ankara_zpsd5580e83.png)
http://erikmeyersson.com/2014/04/01/is-something-rotten-in-ankaras-mayoral-election-a-very-preliminary-statistical-analysis/
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Gosh some privileged people must have had 2 votes - that could catch on!
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Looks like they were not too worried about voting early, simply voting often is good enough! ;) ;D ;D
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Has anyone got the results for the local Muhtars elections please. :)
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Sorry Kevin no idea but I do know there was a bit of a surprise upset in Uzumlu where the old Muhtar was not re-elected.
And on a lighter note Dogan told me last night that in a town near Istanbul I can't remember the name that the MDP was first, then AKP then trailing was CHP. AKP demanded a recount and the new winners are CHP ;)
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Classic.!! ;D
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Halil Duman elect Muhta for Olu Deniz. Really nice and helpful guy. Can be contacted at Guneş Hotel
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kaptainkrunchie, do you know who got Hisaronu.?
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An update on the electoral map in Turkey
http://istanbulian.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/5-reasons-to-be-optimistic-about.html
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kaptainkrunchie, do you know who got Hisaronu.?
There is only one Muhtar for the whole Ölüdeniz area now , Halil Duman.
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Thanks for that Libra. I bet he'll be busy then. !
Thanks nichola.