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Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Ally B on June 05, 2014, 20:24:28 PM
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Passed by the Calis Beach Indian restaurant twice today and it was closed.It seems they have been told to close for three days for hassling people to get them in.Apparently there are more restaurants to follow.Never thought it was that bad in Calis.
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Blimey if that is right you really, and I mean really, need to ask where the councils priorities lie, given that they cannot sort out the beach and the roads and area around the beach. :( :( :(
The only reason I doubt the authenticity of this story is that there is, I have been told, no hassling along the prom in Calis. ;)
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If memory serves 3 or more restaurants were closed some years ago for the very same thing.
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It's happened in Fethiye in the past too
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And in Hisarönü and Ölüdeniz too. People don't like it. It puts them off and where they might have stopped to browse the menu they just walk past as quickly as possible so businesses often lose custom because of it.
I have been told many, many times by people that they take a walk the long way around to avoid restaurants and even whole streets where there is persistent hassling.
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Volkan was telling me the other night, they now have a 'white line' outside each restaurant they are not allowed to cross, bit like the technical area at a football match
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It seems the council had a guy out with a camera filming what was going on.The restaurant people are not allowed to cross the red mono block line that runs outside their premises.
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I was in Serkul 1 restaurant a week ago when an official came in and had a word with all the staff. When I asked what was going on they were being reprimanded for this very reason although I certainly wouldn't t have called it hasseling, just friendly chat. Don't know why they picked on this restaurant as others nearby were standing much further out on the prom to encourage people to stop and look at their menus. I think a fine was threatened.
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That's Rushie out of a job then. ;) :)
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I have to agree with Nichola's post, in the past we've avoided those places that repeatedly hawk their food, restaurant or bar. Many times we would have stopped to read their menus and maybe give it a try if just left alone. It's very uncomfortable and a bit like emotional blackmail. It's daunting looking along the line of waiting predators when you're setting out to eat. Nobody wants to hurt their feelings but certainly they must loose out on many potential customers. I find it's been much better in the last couple of years.
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I'm really glad they are enforcing this rule, I would love to be able to browse a menu without some waiter rushing up and treating me like I can't read. Like Nichola says, places that do this loose more custom than they gain.
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Some friends were eating at the Calis Beach Indian Wednesday night their favourite place and the owner was telling them he had been closed by the Zabita for "hassling" customers. Closed Thurs. Fri. Sat.
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I too agree with both Nichola and Lotty I find it totally off putting to walk post places where someone wants to enter in to some kind of meaningless conversation or try to persuade you to enter their premises. This could be the best place to eat and drink in the world but nothing would get me through the door if this kind of thing happens.
We are based in Ovacik and the other week we took a stroll down the "strip" in H to see the inevitable changes and even walking in the middle of the road to stay as far away from those who's practice this kind of enticement is to get you in the door they still persist and what should have been a gentle stroll leaves me fuming, especially when the guy who 5 minutes ago wants to chat and I politely say no thanks tries again on the way back
>:( >:(
The sooner this spreads to all of the other areas the better as far as I am concerned :)
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And if a genital stroll doesn't scare them off- what to try next?
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Scorcher you may want to change your spelling of gentle! :-)
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Brianbern, I think he was referring to teetee's post ;)
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;D
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And if a genital stroll doesn't scare them off- what to try next?
Duly edited, but if I did try this I am sure I would not have been pestered so much if at all ;)
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Hilarious! The mind boggles!! ;D
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To be honest we haven't felt hassled at all from any of the restaurants in Calis for years now, and we are always walking along the front and the other main road, as this is where we choose and enjoy eating. It might be that we have been coming for so many years and they all know that if we want to go in we will. We too went to Calis Beach Indian on Wednesday and enjoyed another lovely meal, and were horrified to learn that they had been closed, because perhaps it was as a result of us actually walking up to Hulki just to say hallo and it could have looked as though he was talking to us rather than the other way around. It is a shame when these restaurants are already struggling with a poor start to the season when this happens. We have never been hassled by the people in Calis Beach they always stand in front of the restaurant and smile or nod. Admittedly in the old days (14/15 years back) you were hassled by most puller inners and we used to take the back road to avoid them but this is certainly not the case now - not with us anyway.
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Just tell them you ate there last year, and it was crap.
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I too have no problems walkıng along Calıs Seafront. I am a local and they always have a chat but ıf I dont want to eat there I wıll say so ın a polıte way.
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We always thank them and say maybe tomorrow.. they are always very polite and say O.K.
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I must say we were fed up of the guys in nearly all the restaurants but about 4 that didn't ask you to come and eat and drink , We started to get the dolmus to avoid em .
We did eat in the indian and the food was excellent , they didn't ask us to go in either .
The best bar we liked was where Emery worked , think that is how you spell his name , I'm sure you'll know where i mean , its the one where nearly all the turkish use with big push back windows on the front .
They didn't hassle us once , great music , relaxing and lovely people .
But I must say the the sands / beach /shingles needed cleaning up , broken bottles fag ends , not good...... we won't be going back .
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Just tell them you ate there last year, and it was crap.
Blimey Tiggs, That means ive had crap meals for the last 5 years, oh well off to the meeting point again, now there is a real restaurant, sod the sunset, ;) no dog poo, fag ends, beer bottles, just a full restaurant and great service, who needs a prom? ;) :)
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Do you remember the pancake ladies being closed down for supposedly the same reason...
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I'm with christie - I have never once felt hassled on Calis front. There's huge competition and those guys have to put bums on seats or lose their jobs - with that in mind I think they are incredibly restrained. A little chat and a bit of flannel won't ruin your evening, and can be quite funny :)
I also believe that restaurants being shut down for hassling may not have been hassling. From previous experience that can be the reason given, jealousy and the other usual suspects can be the real root of the issue.
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Amazed if that's the reason they were closed, never felt hassled walking along the prom. They try and get you in - and why not - but as soon as you say "not interested" they leave you alone, unless things have changed this year.
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Never felt hassled on Calis prom or the main road.
Now in Albufeira, we felt hassled. Polite 'no's were often met with literally being chased down the street.
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Or Puerto Plata airport in the Dominican, where your first experience after leaving the airport is having your suitcase literally prised from your hand followed by a demand for $20 to carry it 20 metres to your tour bus for you. Or Marrakech, where guides literally fight over the opportunity to offer you a guided tour that you have no intention of taking in a million years. Or Marmaris...
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I have to say after 2 weeks summer holiday last year I was relieved to not run the gauntlet as we called it ! Most of the restaurants on the seafront were very low key on front staff trying to get you to dine, but as you approached the taxi rank or canal bridge it was a more evasive approach! Why do you not visit our restaurant? Even after being quite firm and refusing politely they would still persist.I have been coming to Turkey over 25 years , yes there are places that are very persistent in other major resorts , why after seeing your face every night for 2 weeks do they not get the hint , that you will not be eating in that restaurant.I do not want to listen to the person sitting at the next table.nor do I want fish and chips,or to eat an Indian meal while on holiday in Turkey.I;want turkish food! Turkish hospitality, Turkish customs,
.Is that too much to ask?
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I'm amazed at all who claim never feeling hassled, are you really telling me that you can stop outside a restaurant on Calis Prom and read a menu board without some waiter being on you like a rash?
Apart from Bella Mammas which is full most nights, I've never seen it ?
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This never happens when you walk along the new Fethiye prom.We often check out the menus as we walk by and never has anyone tried to get us to go in.Can not say the same for calis front even if we walk right next to the grass verge they still call out to you.
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We were there a few weeks ago, the usual banter with the lads, maybe tomorrow, no thanks etc etc. Until the last night of our hols, walking past one of the restaurants on the front, that has just changed hands again this year, one "waiter" called me over, " why do you not come in my restaurant?" my polite reply was " we try to be fair and visit other places", his reply, "F**k off I don''t need your money F**k off, you're in my Turkey f**k off"
Needless to say, I will not be visiting any establishment he will be employed in.
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That's appalling to be spoken to like that.
i would speak to the restaurant owner and let them know about this employee's foul behaviour.
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My God, I've never heard anything like that. I was going to ask if you would name the restaurant, but as you say it has just changed hands it probably doesn't matter now.
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I don't wan't to name the restaurant because the problem is a particular individual, and not the restaurant.
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I am with Rimms on this one, no hassle means you can check the menu and look inside without being hassled. Strolling along and being invited, however friendly it may be, to eat or drink and being expected to stop and answer even when clearly having a conversation with someone counts as hassle to me. We are local to Fethiye and stroll along Calis front regularly. There were a couple of restaurants that did this close to but not as I recall including the Indian recently. But my biggest bugbear of all is the Pelican in Fethiye, they never fail to tell me they have tea and coffee available, who would have thought it?
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They don't seem to understand that while they're telling you what's on the menu while you're trying to read the menu it's the same as someone saying 2 4 6 11 while you're trying to count money.
Does my head in!
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It puts you off even looking at their menu, why don't they realise they must lose more customers than they gain by hassling them ? It's the same in the shops, I am much more likely to make a purchase if I'm 'allowed' to browse in peace !
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I was just going to mention the shops too Susiepink….I buy very little when I am over as I don't like being followed around when I'm browsing. Annoys the hell out of me.
I am horrified at the post above re the swearing/aggression - I would definitely have had a word with owners. That just can't be ignored.
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i always say to them i am meeting friends at so and so and they are fine
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Puma - I do the same when i am caught. I have never been hassled by Calis Beach Indian. They don't need to hassle they are always full! My husband and I walk down the prom on the far side and pretend to be having a in depth chat just so to ignore them all! My daughter and her boyfriend was over last week and refused to go to Calis after the 2nd visit. No.1 because of the hassle and No.2 they didn't want Egg & Chips for lunch. They wanted a nice Turkish restaurant where they could have Turkish food. Houmous and bread etc.. It would be great if the restaurants offered Turkish lunch snacks too. I did then recommend the new lokantasi but it was too
Late. Lunch at home and dinner in Fethiye for them.
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That person's behaviour is appalling... I for one am glad that there are English dishes such as fish and chips and full English's on menus as I have not found loads of Turkish dishes that I am overly fond of, someone put a picture on facebook the other day and I do not know what the dish was but I am sorry I just could not have ate that had I ordered it no matter how great it allegedly tasted :(
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Its a shame for Cali's Indian as its run by 2 lovely extremely polite guys Hulki and Ahmed who in my experience are not the hassling kind.There is one guy on the front who has worked at several places over the years never fails to stop me and ask me why I have never eaten in any of the places he has been at ,even when I explained it was because I felt hassled by him he still does it!
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I remember the days when we used to be lucky enough to get a babysitter and manage to get out without the kids for the night. We'd go for a meal and it would be just the two of us, and Rushie who had gone inside to get the 3D images for an apartment project his dad was supposedly doing - he'd sit down at our table, and begin to discuss the site and apartment plans in some detail.
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You must have been fascinated ?
We just ordered a takeaway from Calis Beach Indian, Ahmed just delivered it to our door, after chomping through the delicious pappadums with four different chutney and chicken pakhora, we are now having a rest before we enjoy the main course, and as for hassle? The only hassle came from me to them.
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You must have been fascinated ?
That was my life for a while - it's like a friend of mine who owns a barber shop in our home town. He knows everyone, takes him ages to walk 100 yards with people stopping to talk to him - and I thought he enjoyed that. But I learned he actually hated it. Why? "Because every single one of them wants to talk about haircuts"!!!
Ah well :)
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It could have been worse, you could be a gynaecologist
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Swiftly attempting to get back on topic - I (as mentioned) have never felt hassled in Calis. I suppose a bit of the 'art' has gone - sitting in the Orient listening to the King of them all, Falcon getting them in with charm alone. It's more about money I suppose these day and the stakes are high because the rents are high.
I have felt charmed, tricked ( ;)), out thought into a restaurant but never hassled.
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You must have been fascinated ?
We just ordered a takeaway from Calis Beach Indian, Ahmed just delivered it to our door, after chomping through the delicious pappadums with four different chutney and chicken pakhora, we are now having a rest before we enjoy the main course, and as for hassle? The only hassle came from me to them.
Have you got their number George? would love a nice indian takeaway ,as you know I also liked a nice Chinese too, but will never use the shanghai blues again as my topic on here explains.
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Best Chinese I ever had over there was at the Dragonara (or Dragonaro) in Hisaronu. Superb.
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Hi Des, sent you a PM
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What happens to the guys who are paid to get you in. Do they have a role now.?
The hassle just turned into one of the background noises of an evening walk for us, but it took a few years for this to happen.
There is still a certain shop outside the fish market where we cross the road to avoid the "getter inner", but otherwise as long as your polite, it's not a problem.
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You must mean "excuse me, are you from England? Can I ask you one question?" We shudder when we see people being "suckered in" and drinking Apple tea there.
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My answer to him is "you just have" and I keep on walking.
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Good one Marggie I must remember that one this shop is indeed a pain in the neck we also normally try and remember to cross the road before we get there!
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They must have been using this "routine" for at least 15 years! You'd think they would have changed it a little in all this time....
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On my first visit to Turkey, I fell for that routine and bought loads of fruit tea that no one has ever drunk ....... :-[
Yep - sucker.
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You must mean "excuse me, are you from England? Can I ask you one question?" We shudder when we see people being "suckered in" and drinking Apple tea there.
Yep you've got it , that's the one
His variation is " Can I ask you a question-why are there so few tourists here this year"
He asked last Sept, then in December and then in April.
There is an obvious answer , but I wouldn't want to offend him
After all, he is only doing his job.
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I never feel hassled as such and always try to have a bit of banter on the way to wherever we have decided to go that afternoon/evening. Mostly I hear "hi, how are you, would you like something to drink?" and a simple no thanks will suffice. Years ago I do recall however it was a lot worse with you being followed down the street with them telling you why their restaurant is the best.
Is it me though but isnt this something that only happens on the seafront? I never see this from Mangals, Gunislik, Meeting Point, Dawn Beach etc. Anyone got any theories?
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[/quote] After all, he is only doing his job. [/quote]
What? Ripping off tourists? Have you seen what they charge for the chemical powder they call Apple tea and the price they charge for Turkish Delight. It's a disgrace not someone doing their job. They are closed throughout the winter months, for obvious reasons.
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I usually say is it the same question you've been asking me for last 8 years, and keep walking.
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After all, he is only doing his job. [/quote]
What? Ripping off tourists? Have you seen what they charge for the chemical powder they call Apple tea and the price they charge for Turkish Delight. It's a disgrace not someone doing their job. They are closed throughout the winter months, for obvious reasons.
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Sorry to disagree, but it is his job to drag the gullible and the newbies into pay the prices that they agree to pay. They are not held at gunpoint. It's their decision to buy.
People only feel they are ripped off when they see the same thing down the road much cheaper. Then it sinks in that maybe they should have had look see first at the competition.
Actually I thought we saw him in December, but stand corrected
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It could have been worse, you could be a gynaecologist
Haha Rimms! That made me laugh.
I think there's a fine line between a friendly welcome and hassle and the more charming ones get it right. I hate being hassled but I love being welcomed. Especially by waiters who recognise us 6 months after we last ate there. They're great at that aren't they?
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Agree, especially when they remember your name and your favourite drink. It happened only this week when we visited the very nice Cadianda in Uzumlu, the welcome was a big "Hello George" it turns out to be the lad who worked in the Bambu Cocktail bar last year.
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Nine restaurants closed for three days.
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We are one of them, no wonder tourism goes backwards every year thanks to this mentality
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is that nine places in calis or else where?
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We are one of them, no wonder tourism goes backwards every year thanks to this mentality
We've been coming to Turkey for many years and are now on our 4th visit to Calis just because it's so relaxed and you don't get literally pulled into restaurants. Unbelievable 9 restaurants get shut down for 3 days. It's one way to kill tourism...
@mac2010: it's 9 places on the Calis prom.
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That's just plain crazy.If they think these places have upset the tourist's then what do they think when tourist's see the state of Calis. Surely they should concern them selves more with finishing and tidying the main tourist area's.If I was a tourist this would upset me more than someone trying to get me to eat in their restaurant.At that rate by the weekend no where will be open ,so silly.
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VOJOS
Can I ask why you think you were closed.?
Some have suggested jealousy by other businesses.
Some say the tourist's are upset.
Some say the Zabita are overdoing it.
What do you think it is.?
Thanks
Kev :)
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I have been coming to Calis for 9 years and never had a problem with the guys trying to get you in, a polite no thanks has always done the trick but I have noticed over the last couple of years that they have got quieter. For me taking that bit of banter away will sterilize the front and it will lose its charm
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It is the Zabita flexing their muscles at the beginning of the season, they do it every year. They do the same in Fethiye on the Strip and they also make all the shops who have merchandise outside take it in making it all look very sterile. I think part of the charm of the area is the miss mash of wares all lending character. After a couple of weeks it all starts appearing again - good on them!
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Very strange to walk along today and see Vojo and the Beach bar shut at lunchtime, but Nil bar doing very well
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They closed our little corner shop in Koca Calis whilst we were there the other week. Not 100% sure but I think it was for serving drinks without a licence. I think she was undercutting the local bars a fair bit as well.
It's back open now evidently. Bottles under the table I guess.
To be fair - if that was the reason then it's probably correct but I bet someone shopped her. (Excuse the pun)
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Just spoke to our neighbour who owns the merhaba bar. They have been closed too. He says now 10 closed and maybe 20 next week. We are not allowed to speak to them when we are passing like we usually do. They are not allowed to speak to anyway that are passing. They have been warned if caught they will get longer next time and then closed. Ridiculous
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So as high season approaches, 10 and probably more bars will lose out on what is already a difficult enough business to make a living in, and Calis looks half shut. Great.
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seems to me to be reasonable. A couple opf weeks ago some restaurants were closed for the same reasons. On this occasion it shows consistency of approach by the authorities.
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Closing businesses down because they were talking to people seems fair?
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The closures seem rather harsh - like most others, I've never felt intimidated at all.
If they cant talk to us I guess we'll end up with a load of flashing neon signs trying to attract out attention instead!
Ian
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If only the authorities put so much effort into looking after the beach as they 'looking after' the prom.
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We have known many of the waiters in Calis for over 7 years... Does this mean that we can't walk past and greet them now? Many are friends and they always give us a hug and and a kiss on both cheeks... We don't always eat in their places but never the less we always stop to chat to them.. Madness....
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and those who suffered earlier in the season?
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Unfortunately it might mean that not only can the puller inners not talk to us, but we cannot talk to them. As said before, a lot of us have been going to Calis for some years and know a lot of the people in the restaurants, so it is automatic on both sides to say hello etc.
We were really upset to find out that because WE went over to talk to Hulki in the Calis Beach Indian restaurant just to say hello and a chat, he was closed for three days early in June, as the police took a photo of him and us chatting and construed it as him hassling us !
Personally we don't feel hassled in Calis and we certainly have never been hassled by Hulki.
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Yes, a walk along Calis prom with nobody saying hello or being pleased to see you? Sounds like progress. In the wrong direction, again.
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If you want to see hassle in operation, then go to Hisaranu! Went up with some girl friends through the day, had one coffee, wandered about for about 30 minutes and left on the next dolmus without buying anything. We were hassled at every turn by the shop keepers. It was a pleasure to get back to Fethiye where we did have a bit of retail therapy.
The Zabita could have a field day there. I know the season is short and they are trying to make a living but hassling to this degree just puts people off. A simple "if you need any help just ask" would allow people to browse at their leisure and would result in far more sales.
We stop and chat to many of the bar staff on the prom in Calis, who we have known for years, but do not feel hassled in any way. It will be pretty grim if they can't even say hello to you and give the Turkish welcome.
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We got back on Monday after 10 days, and if anything, the so called "hassling" was next to non-existent this year compared to previous. Rushie even made a joke about it, and would not cross the threshold when we stopped to talk to him at Serkul.
Also, the bars are not allowed any alcohol advertising (i.e. Efes) on their parasols. They seem to have got round this one by sticking parcel tape or marker pen over the offending words. Just makes the prom look scruffy in my opinion.
The police are trying to stamp out a problem that doesn't exist.
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But even worse, you might get them shut down by saying hello to them!!!
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Absolute madness - we'll see how we get on when we come over next week but this could well be our last visit if we are restricted to restaurants and bars that we don't want to go in because the ones we do want to visit are closed. Who has decided that people are being hassled? Can't say we have ever thought that we are being hassled, a polite no thanks, maybe next time, we've just eaten, we're meeting friends at....usually suffices. Blimey if you want hassle go the Canaries - that is serious hassle!I'm a bit nervous now about speaking to people we know in case they get into trouble :(
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Agree with Fifi regarding hassle in the Canaries,before we started coming to Calis around 10 years ago we stayed in Porto Rico and on our first day we were hassled by time -share sharks,who seemed to pop up all over the place.We don't get much hassle in Calis 8)
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I spoke to Murat at Ace Travel in Calis and he said that there are camera's filming to see who is 'crossing' the line etc. so everyone is being monitored. As other have said, waiters and owners that we have known for years are not able to greet their friends as they have in the past, which is a great shame. I had previously remarked that I felt that there was a 'different' feeling about Calis this year and maybe this is part of it. Calis is not the place it was 15 years ago and whilst I agree that we have to 'move with the times' sometimes so called improvements take the heart out of a place and people.
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We go out a lot in Hisaronu and I don't feel it is that bad. I find a 'No thanks' is enough and just carry on strolling.
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Makes me wonder if there might be a more sinister reason for this? I wonder if the police have been told to clamp down on premises that sell alcohol? I know it's happened in some parts of Istanbul.
We all know the main man wants to move everything eastwards. Maybe this is just the start of things to come?
We only walked the prom once this year and were not hassled at all. In fact Rushie missed us for the first time ever!
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I'm sure that we, like many others, are recognised and have chatted with (some more briefly than others) probably a quarter of the restaurant guys on the beach. When we first arrive, they approach and say hello, inquiring when we arrived, how long we're staying etc. All pleasant enough and most times quite welcoming. Always asking if we will visit the restaurant. Standard answer...' we will try'. The next time they see us, its usually a wave/ a hello/ an indication with their hands towards a table/. One or all of these...... But I would not say that at anytime we felt hassled......
Of course, you then have the ones who don't know us and approach as soon as you even look in their direction.. When told 'We have already eaten ' its normally a 'Thank you. Try us next time'. Then its usually a card and a promise that if you go there you will get the best meal in Calis.. Always very courteous. Okay! Sometimes this attention is wanted and sometimes you could do without it .... So if I'm being honest here, its how I feel that day, not what they do.
Where the justification is, to deny someone of their livelihood for any period of time, is beyond my comprehension. Especially as some of these guys have waited for months for this business. We've been to other parts of Turkey and there, have been 'hassled'. Especially Gumbet. Now there's a place. You literally need to shake them off your sleeve cause they're tugging at you to go into whatever they have....... Absolute nightmare.
Now here's a funny thing. When we recommend Calis to friends, family or whoever, we always stress amongst other things that you DO'NT get hassle from the traders. Anyone who goes there agrees with us............... How could we be so wrong, eh?
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One of the reasons we love Calis is it's so laid back & never been pestered by the restaurant / bar staff to go into their establishments. Saw at least 5 restaurants closed last night along the promenade.
Can't quite grasp why the council are doing, surely by closing these restaurants & bars it's affecting tourism, local workers losing pay & government losing much needed revenue from taxes.
If they are guilty of pestering, which I find hard to believe, surely a warning system & a fine would be appropriate and less harmful to tourism & the economy.
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I wonder if all this is being acted upon as a result of complaints from passers by, in which case it would be interesting know which nationalities are complaining or is it fear of complaints?
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Not going to be an enjoyable night time stroll along the front now. Will be anxious not to nod, say hello or speak to any of the waiters or bar owners, who we have chatted to over the last 9 years. This is a bloody country of extreme's, for sure.
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We have known many of the waiters in Calis for over 7 years... Does this mean that we can't walk past and greet them now? Many are friends and they always give us a hug and and a kiss on both cheeks... We don't always eat in their places but never the less we always stop to chat to them.. Madness....
Yes, madness it is. We arrived on tuesday and had some chats on the prom tuesdayevening just to find out some of those we chatted with got shut down for 3 days. That really makes you feel comfortable :-[
It's ridiculous and some say it has to do with the local elections and someone puts his foot down.
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VOJOS
Can I ask why you think you were closed.?
Some have suggested jealousy by other businesses.
Some say the tourist's are upset.
Some say the Zabita are overdoing it.
What do you think it is.?
Thanks
Kev :)
I really don't know why we are closed. Over 2 weeks ago we noticed 3 plain clothed police officer with a camera in their hands recording secretly. A few days later we had a formal letter saying we got caught hassling people( talking to your own wife,family member or old customers outside the red line all classified as hassling too) so on Wednesday zabita came and told us that we were to close for 3 days. We received no warning or don't do again or we will close you approach . It's not belediyes decision as the ruling came from kaymakam( head of local goverment) calis der president mete ay and his committee went to meet mr kaymakam to over turn his decision with no success so we were closed down yesterday morning and will stay closed till Sunday 10 am. What weees me off is hassling isn't the main problem in calis and there are millions of other things they should do to improve tourism in calis. Closing restaurant for no reason isn't one of them
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VOJOS
Thank you for your response. Sorry you are having to try and run a business under those circumstances. Good luck with your season.
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I came over in May and did not feel harassed at all-EXCEPT by one person, and I cannot remember the name of the restaurant, it was the 1st one coming from Seketur, as if you were walking towards towards Vojos, was next to the clothes shop?
He had hold of my arm saying, " You said you may come in one night and you haven't been in".
This went on morning, noon or night, every time I passed, to the point I started walking down the back road to avoid him, not good when it's dark and you're on your own.
He was small, stocky and had his hair cut in a basin shape :)
It's people like this they should target, I never felt harassed by anyone from Vojos, I feel very sorry for them, it's hard to make a living as it is.
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Is this anything to do with Erdogans political party not getting elected in fethiye in the recent elections?
I was told this was one of the reasons that the beach cleaning was not done because erdogan pulled the plug on the funding for this area.
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Apart from VoJo and the Beach House does anyone know which other restaurants are closed for these 3 days ?
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This may be way "off the mark" but this thread got me thinking.
Is it only on the prom?
If so, is it in any way related to the establishments that were involved in the beach cleaning?
Just wondering if the two may be connected and the beach cleaners have upset someone in authority. :-\
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This is getting ridiculous and if as is suggested, it is something to do with the government, what will happen after the elections in August if and when Erdogan is re-elected, by whatever means? Business's make most of their money during the tourist season so if they are closed down for a few days here and a few days there, they may have to increase prices to maintain what little profits they make. Part of the charm of Calis is being greeted by owners or people working in the restaurants who have known you for years. The whole situation is terrible and I think specific restaurants will be targeted. Just take a minute to think of the ones who have never been closed or taken to task. I'm sure a few of them will stand out.
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Apart from VoJo and the Beach House does anyone know which other restaurants are closed for these 3 days ?
Serkul 1 is closed as well as Merhaba, Focus touroperator and I believe Area.
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Other places closed http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=55685.0;topicseen
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We arrived home monday past, there were 3 closed down in our second week, cafe soul etc. went to speak to ferat at Bambu and he got all worried as he was not allowed to cross the line, Rushie from serkul 1 was another, ate there also but worried about gettng closed, Keep it going Volkan you will get past this, good eating places always will, see you again in a few weeks.
Jim S
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I think the best thing to do would be to hang a sign over the Gocek Tunnel saying ( tourist's not wanted) It would save them so much trouble,no more issue's with beaches,bars,restaurants,drink sales,and think just how much money they would save by not paying wages to all the Zabita who have to work all night trying to catch the bad bad people of Calis trying to earn a living.Better still ban tourist's coming to Turkey. :( :( :( Some very strange days are ahead of us. :o
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(http://s27.postimg.org/72qlxp4f3/tourists_not_welcome_sign_k_8525.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/72qlxp4f3/)
They can burrow this if they need it. ;D
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Absolutely. They should be sorting out burglaries, handbag snatches, **** state roads, litter, and lunatic drivers before wasting time on this sort of thing.
I actually think it's more sinister and has to do with higher powers who don't really want western influences and tourism, and sadly I think this area ( and others around the country ) is paying for how the masses voted.
We'll all be on the beach in burkas drinking Ayran in a few years time. Well those of us who are left. That's just my opinion of course!
Will be interesting to see what happens with plans for the privatisation of the beaches.
I'm usually the first to be upbeat about my beloved Fethiye and Calis, but feeling quite concerned about all this actually.
If I was a tourist the atmosphere along the prom last night and today would have stopped me coming back.
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After reading all this I am seriously wondering whether to come back next year! I hope it all gets sorted soon.
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Also quite concerning for people who have booked for this year and are yet to travel. Particularly first timers to the resort.
First the beach, which seems to have been sorted. Now this problem.
Hey, I'm sure we'll still enjoy but our advanced planning is taking a bit of a knock. I really hope our first visit doesn't turn out to be our last. Peoples passion for the area brought us here in the first place, but "regulars" concerns may be what keeps us away in the future.
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pops you are right but we feel this year in year out over something or other. Lunatics running asylums. People high in government in Turkey have significant links/involvement in tourist hotels around the Turkish coast. Just not in Calis/Fethiye. What could be in it to make our area less attractive than resorts that their brother etc owns a huge 5* AI hotel in...
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We heard in Koca Calis (and I stress the word "heard" )that all the beach bars are to be knocked down, re-built and rented back to the existing 'owners'. I'm not sure how true this is. Maybe one of the bar owners knows something?
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I smell a big big rat!! Why would the powers to be want to destroy the little haven - Calis that I love so much. Without the tourists I imagine it will just fade away and die. We come again in September. I wonder if it will be for the last time.
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This year will be our 25th or 26th in Calis, and obviously the changes are immense, this quaint little place we fell in love with has sadly changed for the worse, the best change I have ever seen was the bars/restaurants getting comfy seats in, the first being the Bambu, it took many years to get a decent coffee, but we didn't mind that either, I loved the way the got the salt and pepper mixed up, and would take your laundry home, and sit and learn English from you, (not that we speak it well), theres loads of little things that made Calis for us, too many to mention, but I have been wondering if this year will be our last,I hope its not.
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Agreed, and it's not just Calis that is slowly changing and losing it's charm - Turkey itself is sliding in a direction we would prefer it wasn't. Also money came and I think can be blamed for a lot of the changes that aren't positive. Hospitality always came before money and I doubt that can be said in too many situations and places these days.
I think you may be like us Laffa - Calis has a big place in our hearts, but perhaps if you analysed it, much of what is in our hearts happened many years ago.
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spoke to one of the bar owners down the front tonight. told me 70 bars have been shut in marmaris!!!!!!!!!!!
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Having read all these posts, I have to say "What's new". We always holidayed in Olu Deniz before finding the beautiful place that is Calis. In those days it was not unusual for shops, bars to be closed by the council or zabita for hasseling tourists. Calis just happens to be getting the treatment at the moment, but it will pass. There seems to be a lot of scaremongering on here regarding this subject especially by people who have been told by unknown persons that this is getting really bad. Who are these unnamed people who give you this information. I will be in Calis next week and if I don't see at least 1000 people eating and promenading along the prom after 9 pm I will show my backside. Calis will never lose its charm, unless of course Edrogan turns off the sun and stops the sunsets.
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It might lose a bit of it's charm if alcohol is banned and women have to wear a burka.
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True and even less charm if Chris35 shows his backside ..... :D
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True and even less charm if Chris35 shows his backside ..... :D
I have a lovely backside I'll have you know. A lot better than my front side according to my better half. :D
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I don't think it's scare mongering. Just read the Turkish press to see what the government have been doing for the last few years.
If this party get in again then I worry what mandate they will have to be honest.
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Looks like it will be Spain for consistency then Stoop, or the dreaded Blackpool, :'(
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Walked passed the main mosque in Fethiye yesterday was hassled at the front entrance to try and get me in to look round and then at back entrance by the dolmas station , don't suppose the police will close them for 3 days!
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And I would advise you not to suggest it to them either. ;) :)
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Lets not forget,many Turkish, both young and old also holiday in Hissy,Olu and Calis,they don't seem to be adverse to the odd glass of wine or beer,and are very comfortable in their European choice of beachwear.
I wonder how they view the whole situation?
Of course if they feel strong enough about it they have a vote.