Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: micky mouse on March 26, 2015, 19:12:47 PM
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So now its been confirmed that the pilot of the plane that crashed was a mass murderer on a suicide mission how terrible for all the families and relatives surely now they need another person in the cockpit when the pilot leaves the flight deck,it was a good idea to deter terrorists but now they will have to have a re think about locked cabins.
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They're already doing it and, no doubt, it's going to have a knock-on effect on the whole industry and passengers will pay the cost of the extra manning that will be involved.
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Easyjet announced they are making changes with immediate effect. They will have 2 people inthe cockpit at all times now. This implies that 3 crew will be upfront which would allow one at any given time to leave for the loo.
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I can remember when there WERE 3 crew members on the flight deck, Captain, First Officer, and Flight Engineer, whose main job was to maintain surveillance of engine function, & instrumentation. I believe that , in many air-lines, the Flight Engineer also had to meet the criteria of sufficient training & flying hours to enable him / her to take over, & land the aircraft in a case of emergency .
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My daughter works as cabin crew with Monarch, mainly on Airbus a 320's & 321's. With the amount of flights she does it is some relief that the aircraft is not responsible.
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They're already doing it and, no doubt, it's going to have a knock-on effect on the whole industry and passengers will pay the cost of the extra manning that will be involved.
No knock on effect, its a member of crew but no-one has said "flight" crew - more than likely the cabin manager/purser.
JF
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And you don't think the airlines will use it as an excuse to increase costs ?
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i have not seen anywhere that says the co pilot may passed out all they are saying is he was alive they could hear his breathing ,he could have had a heart attack or stroke or something else ,seems strange to me .
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I think this statement by French prosecutors makes it clear that he didn't have a medical emergency:
Andreas Lubitz locked the pilot out the of the Airbus A320's cockpit before setting the plane's controls to descend into a rocky valley, French prosecutors revealed yesterday.
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And I think it was reported that the co-pilot had deliberately overridden the pilot's override from outside the cockpit.
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One technical report I heard said the cockpit override expires after a few minutes and has to be refreshed from the inside. So the co-pilot had to be conscious and mobile throughout the descent. News from Germany is that a sick note has been found that would have taken the co-pilot off duty, but that he had ripped it up so his employers never knew. A tragic situation all round.
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BBC News Report this evening contained a segment on compensation for the victims.
Disgusting !!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
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And you don't think the airlines will use it as an excuse to increase costs ?
I have no problem with that. I'd rather pay a few quid more if it made the flight safer.
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They'd use it as an excuse to increase prices not costs :)
Except they wouldn't - they wouldn't increase the number in the cockpit to 3 - as mentioned they would get someone from the cabin crew to sit in while there was a toilet requirement.
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Most short-haul planes don't have the seating capacity in the cockpit for a 3rd person to be in there through-out the flight anyway.
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Exactly! So one goes to the toilet and a crew member sits in their seat till they get back...
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How times move on.
I remember when you used to be able to go in the cock pit for a look around mid flight and often the door would be open all flight.
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That's still the case on flights up in this part of the world bewva.
But to be honest I don't need to see all that dials. :(
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There's usually a jumpseat in the cockpit, meaning it can seat 3 persons.
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Perhaps it's now the time to question how confidential, medical records should be.
If somebody is issued with a sick note, should a copy be automatically be forwarded to their employer
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An employer such as an airline should be doing their own surely...
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What other businesses should be employing their own doctors ?
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Any that have the lives of hundreds of people literally in their hands?
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So, potentially, most companies and public bodies.
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Maybe its time for GP's of people in certain occupations ie. Pilots, Train Drivers,Sea Crew, Police, ect to
automatically send a second sick note to Employers. People who's occupation can impact on lots of lives.?
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What about those who work in food production then ? Or water suppliers ? Or transport companies ? The list is endless.
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I would assume airlines check their pilot's eyesight. So why not a full medical to ensure they are fit for the responsibilities of the job, and to be able to cope with the mental requirements and stresses of the job?
They are flying hugely expensive machines - even just because of that you might think they would want to ensure they are in the hands of those in a sound physical and mental state.
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Pilots undergo a full medical examination at least annually, some six monthly depending on their licence.
That said if a pilot just goes to his GP his GP may not know what profession he is in.
It would be very difficult to have GP's send sick notes to employers. My GP does not know me never mind who I work for or if I had multiple jobs.
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If he went because his employer had sent him, I reckon the GP might get an idea of who he worked for.
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I've been our local surgery 7 times in the last year and haven't seen the same doctor twice.
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Maybe it's an opticians you need :D
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Any that have the lives of hundreds of people literally in their hands?
Prime Ministers ?
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Yes
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German State prosecutors have just announced that the co-pilot has been treated for suicidal tendencies in the past.
Germanwings Airline have some questions to answer. I hope to god his" Human Rights" to fly were not the reason he was allowed
into a cockpit. Frightening.!!
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I've been our local surgery 7 times in the last year and haven't seen the same doctor twice.
. Is it something you said Kkob ;D >:( >:( :D
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I don't know, but I've given-up going there now. ;)
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I don't know, but I've given-up going there now. ;)
They'll start thinking you are ill and send you a "Get Well Soon" card.
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I know, the first time I went last year they asked why they hadn't seen me in the previous 3 years, so I said I'd been ill. Not a flicker !
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What kind of person hands a memory card from the Germam air crash to the media.
Disgraceful !!!!
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A greedy b###ard with absolutely no morals, that's who. They should be prosecuted and named.!!
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Absolutely agree kevin3.
Despicable doesn't cover it. >:( >:( >:(