Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Beach Questions and Information => Topic started by: Yoshi on May 30, 2015, 18:17:21 PM
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Hi,
Has anyone had any dealings with the estate agent called My place overseas or one of its owners Omer Kizilca ?
Many thanks
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Think we are wasting our time with you on here Yoshi.
Listen to us for gods sake.
INTERTURK ! INTERTURK!
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Listen to us for gods sake.
INTERTURK ! INTERTURK!
Why would they go an agent in Calis when they are looking to buy in Uzumlu?
JF
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According to his Linkedin profile he works for Beyaz Homes;
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/omer-kizilca/87/751/425
And the only testimonial on My Place Overseas website is 5 years old;
http://www.myplaceoverseas.com/
Speaks volumes to me.
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No bodies wasting their time, including me !
I've already found the house I want I'm now just researching the company and the various issues that need to be considered.
And I'm not interested in buying in Calis.
Yes that's right Eric he is the guy that showed us your home.
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We have had viewings from Beyaz in the past, but that was the 1st time we had met Omer. So can't really comment on him as a person.
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Eric how have you found Beyaz ?
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And the only testimonial on My Place Overseas website is 5 years old;
http://www.myplaceoverseas.com/ (http://www.myplaceoverseas.com/)
Speaks volumes to me.
Without disagreeing with Eric, and merely in the interests of fair play, if you press the "More testimonials" button there are several more on there.
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Passable now, when it suits them. They have a big stake in new builds, and the builder, and that's where our big problem was with them. They would take buyers to the new builds and drive past ours without showing them our house which was on their books. When we challenged them about this we discovered that they were telling buyers that we did not have a view! Anyone who knows where our house is and its position, will know it has better views than the new houses around us due to the positioning of the house on the plot. When, eventually, Aykut visited our house for the 1st time he agreed that we indeed had fantastic views and he then 'got his finger out'. They are very good salesmen when it suits them. Their priorities are with the new builds where they have a financial investment and thus a greater % return. Resales are a lesser priority with them and they will even denigrate a resale close to one of their new builds if it may impact on their new build. That is our experience of them, I may be wrong but there is no evidence of that at present.
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Colwyn, I clicked on the 'Check our Testimonials' tab and indeed there are more. Dated 2011!
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Listen to us for gods sake.
INTERTURK ! INTERTURK!
Why would they go an agent in Calis when they are looking to buy in Uzumlu?
JF
Cenk covers Uzumlu John.
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We were told he does not cover Uzumlu!
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We were told he does not cover Uzumlu!
Well Eric it looks like you were given wrong information. Check the website!!
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Estate agents do promote new builds a lot more than a re-sale of an established property. As Eric says there is a much better commission for a new build. I think it pays to rent for a while before buying too. I would advise someone to live in Turkey for a year to familiarise themselves with how the seasons effect their needs and then make a decision.
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Well knock me down with a wet kipper, they do cover Uzumlu.....now! When we 1st inquired a couple of years back we we told no as they did not want to spread too wide. Nice to see they have narrowed their spread down a bit ... ;) ;) ;)
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Hi Eric,
Thought it might help you if I told you my experience of viewing your house. We had seen it whilst looking in the UK and so to be fair we told Omer what we wanted to see, this included new builds.
He was very co-operative and as you know arranged a viewing. He was very complimentary in his explanations of your home and although he did show us his new builds and the potential plots he did by no means try to influence us either way.
We asked him a lot of questions regarding your home and I feel he did try to sell the house on your behalf. It's difficult to know what these agents do for us when we put our homes up for sale but this was our experience.
Sue
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Hi Yoshi.
When I was researching buying in Fethiye over 2 years ago, I came across the Place Overseas website. I registered on their site as this gives you access to more photos of each property. I was contacted shortly afterwards by phone, by one of the emlak agency owners, Cameron Deggin.
Found him to be a fund of knowledge and he seemed to think my family's artistic leanings would be better served in Bodrum and suggested very strongly that I visit there. (I now know what he meant)
I didn't go to Bodrum as I had fallen for Fethiye and I made arrangements with Place Overseas for my very first property viewings. Omer spent all day with me and Mum and insisted that we see all the areas around Fethiye as he knew I didn't know the region that well. He arranged various houses to view in each location so that I could see what my money would buy in each locale. He never once tried to influence me into a purchase and discussed the ins and outs of off plan, new build and re-sale and agreed that my argument for re-sale was very valid.
I've always credited Place Overseas and specifically Omer, for changing my view of Ovacik from the one I had formed from the dolmuş window and of course, where I now very happily live.
So my experience was a very good one despite not buying with them, but that was down to the property rather than the emlak.
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Menthol,
Thank you so much for your information. That has been my impression of Omer and his colleagues and I have never felt pressured to buy anything from them. Infact they have been so patient whilst I have researched just about everything I can think of !
Omer has been a wealth of information and a true gent throughout my constant requests for information and reassurances.
I'm glad you made the right decision about being in Fethiye, I feel their is a really nice feel about the area and hope you retire there in due course.
Thanks again for your time.
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Yoshi, recently I have been hearing and have also spoken to people who retired to Turkey. This idea is great when you are healthy and strong and in pre or early retirement phase.
I was speaking to a very sad elderly lady a few days ago in a shop in Fethiye. She is selling up and moving back. She told me it was always her dream to move to Turkey and she has loved it here, but now her husband is quite old and she has medical problems, there is no alternative but to move back to the U.K. I think also her problem is money, buying cheaply in Turkey years ago, using up most of the saving and then having to sell up and see what money is left to buy something in the U.K.
My husband and I had a long discussion about this, age and illness problem which now seems to be a common thing. We seem to know of more and more people moving back. One reason why we would not move permanently. He just retired, we are both fit and healthy now, but no one knows how we wll be in 20 years time.
So keep perhaps keep this in mind for the future. It is great to retire and move out, not so great when age and health problems hit and you have may have to move back.
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Hi jacqui,
Thank you for your mail.
I know exactly what you mean and nobody can tell how you will be in the future and it certainly is a big decision but my view is I would rather not live in the cold, damp weather of the UK which in itself makes you miserable.
I feel that private healthcare is the way forward and being in the medical field I would not consider anything less. Having had experience of Turkish private hospitals I am confident they can provide adequate if not better healthcare than that in the UK.
Of course this does cost so you do need to be confident about your retirement funds before planning to leave the UK for good or like us keep a bolt hole in England to return to if needed.
Have a great day
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We have a place here and now my husband has retired, we are spending longer her, which to me is the best of both worlds. Five weeks this trip and away before the stinking hot weather starts. Love it here and the nice weather, but also love Scotland, we have had very mild winters in Scotland the last few years and if we moved permanently to Turkey, firstly I would miss my family too much. I have a lovely Granddaughter and enjoy watching her grow up. Secondly there is something about were we live in Scotland that could not be replaced and it has nothing to do with the weather. Also, I hate the idea of being in Turkey in July and August when it is too hot. Do not fancy being inTurkey in the Winter when it is cold and damp. I think people have the idea to move to Turkey because of the heat, but it is not so in the Winter. One lady recently on this Forum could not stand the cold in Ovacik in the Winter and she has moved back only months after moving over.
We used to think we wanted to move to Turkey 10 years ago when we bought our place here, but now, we have changed our minds. We can fly here when we want to and then return to our home and family in Scotland.
It is also not a question of private health care, although that would be good. One example I have. We met a lovely English couple in Calis 11 years ago. She worked for a local Estate Agent. They lived in Calis. The Estate Agent who she worked for told her she was "Family" now. He talked her and her husband into a plot in Uzumlu to build a house. Long story, but more and more money was needed until most of their savings had gone. They moved to the house, then lots of things went wrong... another long story. Eventually, her husband could not drive at night as his eyesight deteriorated. She did not drive and told us she felt isolated. The Estate Agent who was Family did not want to know anymore. This couple put their house on the market and it took a long time to sell, they are now back in England.
I would advise anyone thinking of moving permanent to Turkey, to rent for a year first. For some people it is a real success story and they love it here in Turkey, but IMHO it is best to give it a trial first. :)
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According to his Linkedin profile he works for Beyaz Homes;
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/omer-kizilca/87/751/425
Speaks volumes to me.
Beyaz Homes? Isn't that the company that look people in the eye and say they used Thermalite blocks while having photos of their builds on their own Facebook page showing they were made with terracotta pots?
Was it opinions on their integrity you were asking for?
Awkward.
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Cenk covers Uzumlu John.
When we 1st inquired a couple of years back we we told no as they did not want to spread too wide.
Same Eric. We put a house in Fethiye on with Cenk a couple of years ago and at the time he stated his main area was Calis - saying that, he had no hesitation in listing the property but was honest enough to say that he probably wasn't the ideal agent due to its location.
Good to see that he has expanded his area of operation, I hope it goes well for him.
JF
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Yep, identical to my own situation back in the day. We had an Uzumlu section and would take on Uzumlu properties but 99% of our customers didn't want Uzumlu.
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I suppose local markets change and businesses have to change with them.
Having a scout about some estate agents sites this week it seems like half of Uzumlu is up for sale...
JF
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Same as 2006 then :D
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Ronnie at Coast2Coast also has loads on his books in uzumlu
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Scunner can you not let this drop ! If you look back through the posts nobody looked anybody in the eye and said they were Thermalite blocks, the builder told me they were thermal clay pots. It was my misunderstanding no more no less.
It seems to me that you over dramatise every comment and love a fight, you only have negative comments to any of my posts so may be we can agree to disagree and perhaps from now on you can keep your opinion to yourself because to be honest they are irrelevant to me.
There is a differance between offering advise and being arrogant and rude. This is a far cry from our post the other day about being positive and encouraging people to buy in Turkey.
What a shame because the majority of people on this site can be friendly and polite even when their offering a negative comment.
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Scunner can you not let this drop ! If you look back through the posts nobody looked anybody in the eye and said they were Thermalite blocks, the builder told me they were thermal clay pots.
It's funny the building company have told us they were Thermalite and I have to say there were a few in the garden when we looked around.
Really.
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Ronnie at Coast2Coast also has loads on his books in uzumlu
He's not the only one. It looked to me that a lot are resales where folks are selling them fully furnished - that suggests they're bailing out.
I'm curious - why, given the relatively small population compared to surrounding areas, are so many folks selling up in Uzumlu? Or are the estate agents sites giving off a misleading impression?
JF
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I think nothing has changed in Uzumlu - it became popular (relatively) because land was dirt cheap compared with Calis/Hisaronu/Ovacik/parts of Fethiye and you could get much more building for your money. Then people had huge villas built on 2500m2 of land and then rattled around wondering why they bought such a big open plan place half way up a mountain that you couldn't keep warm in winter and cool in summer and they spent half of their retirement cleaning. It's too cliquey, too remote and too cold.
On the plus side, it's en route to the Pearly Gates. ;)
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(http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/bonfire.jpg)
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I've always thought it should be renamed Marmite Valley ;)
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Agree there Liz. Some people love it. Personally, don't see the attraction, miles away up a mountain, cold in the winter and it seems, from this Forum, a lot of in fighting between ex-pats who live up there.
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Jacquie, it is beautiful here and the people here love it, if you don't fancy it fine. We can live with that. You seem very keen to have a dig at Uzumlu at every opportunity and its getting very very OLD!!!!
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Its not an area I'd personally choose to live, for more than one of Keiths reasons!
I'm sure I was up there once, probably about 2002/3 or thereabouts when a friend was developing some land. Didn't find it particularly memorable and never really paid it much attention since then until the various expat factions started to slug it out on here every so often. All very unpleasant and not a good advert for potential purchasers.
JF
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Why am I getting picked on here?? I think perhaps Scunner and others have said more and even put pictures up.....
I may have in the past mentione this place, probably because of my friend's experience, but I am not writng about the subject insensately.
I seem to remember a very long thread about a bar and someone being beaten up. I suppose that was written by me too??
O.K. as Liz says it is Marmite...
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In the interests of natural justice, fair play, balance and free speech etc, I would like an opportunity to submit my views:
The above caption (Koo Klux Klan) has been posted on several previous occasions. How many I'm not sure, but it's getting very, very boring now. Dear Mr. Scunner, can't you come up with something new please?
It's too cliquey, too remote and too cold.
You obviously don't like the people who live Uzumlu, so why don't you come out and just say that? Or better still, simply discard the Uzumlu section on this forum?
Too remote? Can you please define what "too remote" actually means? Remote from what exactly? Do you mean away from the holiday resorts full of grockles?
Too cold? Colder than where? If you compare Uzumlu temperatures with Fethiye then yes, it is on average cooler. But if you compare with average temperatures anywhere in the UK, it will be WARMER, SUNNIER, DRIER AND LESS HUMIDITY.
Too cliquey? Yes probably- but that is the same the world over in small towns and villages away from the mainstream.
I take the view that the technique that is employed to counter opinions that are not agreed with is to use "The Straw Man" argument which goes like this:
Quote from Wikipedia: "The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man" ;) and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man" ;) instead of the original proposition."
And: "To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument."
For the full item see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I don't even live in Uzumlu!
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I'm not sure about the insulation on this one but the price is right.
(http://ididafunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/redneck-rides-mobile-trailer-car.jpg)
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"The Straw Man" argument
Better not let him near the guys with the torches...
JF
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I seem to remember a very long thread about a bar and someone being beaten up. I suppose that was written by me too??
Yes, I remember that thread too. Other than hearsay, has anyone got any hard facts regarding what happened?
What I do remember (without reading the whole thread again) is that it was alleged that a local had beaten up someone. This must have went to court if there was any shred of truth in the allegations.
Does anyone have any hard facts about this?
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Vivre la difference!
I wouldn't want Ovacik either but I hear it is quite popular.
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And your point is what KKOB ?
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I guess the differences of opinion are the same all over the world, it depends on where you live, what your used to and what your lifestyle is. Personally I've always lived in the countryside and can't imagine ever living anywhere differant whether that be in the UK or Turkey. I looked around all the local areas in Fethiye which were all extremely busy with the housing all being so close together so for me I can't imagine anything worse than living in a built up area full of tourists on the other hand some people love it. It's the same in the UK I would never live up North or in Scotland the same as those from those areas probably wouldn't want to live in Kent or Cambridge where I live. It's not that there's anything wrong with either area it's just individual choice. It seems to me that people in both areas are very happy with their choice.
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KKOB is a well-rounded fella; he doesn't have a point.
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As for people getting beaten up, as sad as it is, doesn't that happen in every town in the UK from time to time and probably in Turkey too. If people can only remember one incident it doesn't make it the Bronx or am I wrong ?
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Five weeks this trip and away before the stinking hot weather starts.
Also, I hate the idea of being in Turkey in July and August when it is too hot.
I would rent in the Winter and not buy if I where you. This will give you an idea of whether you want to stay in Uzumlu and buy. I know there is a big ex-pat community up there and they all seem to enjoy the place.
However, you are a lot high up in the mountains than down in Fethiye or Calis, so it will be colder.
Honestly, there is just no pleasing some people!
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As for people getting beaten up, as sad as it is, doesn't that happen in every town in the UK from time to time and probably in Turkey too. If people can only remember one incident it doesn't make it the Bronx or am I wrong ?
From memory, this story emanated from a person who was not even present when the alleged incident took place. He got the information from his daughter who (I believe from the posting) became separated from the alleged victim when the alleged assault took place.
Standing back therefore, the allegation was second hand hearsay and supposition from the very start. What we then got was various posters piling in with other gossip and speculation. I do not think there was one eye witness who came in on the posting to give their version of events.
So what we ended up was a feeding frenzy of allegations and counter allegations- all based on what? Answer: NOTHING
I take it from everyone's silence, there are no hard facts to substantiate the original allegation?
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Five weeks this trip and away before the stinking hot weather starts.
Also, I hate the idea of being in Turkey in July and August when it is too hot.
I would rent in the Winter and not buy if I where you. This will give you an idea of whether you want to stay in Uzumlu and buy. I know there is a big ex-pat community up there and they all seem to enjoy the place.
However, you are a lot high up in the mountains than down in Fethiye or Calis, so it will be colder.
Honestly, there is just no pleasing some people!
Of course there is. We are really pleased to do what we want and come and go when it suits us. Problem yok
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In the interests of natural justice, fair play, balance and free speech etc
Ah, free speech is it? Ok let's see where that goes.
The above caption (Koo Klux Klan) has been posted on several previous occasions. How many I'm not sure, but it's getting very, very boring now. Dear Mr. Scunner, can't you come up with something new please?
In the interests of free speech I'll post what I like, not what you think I should. And it's Ku not Koo - they are racists not pigeons!!
You obviously don't like the people who live Uzumlu, so why don't you come out and just say that? Or better still, simply discard the Uzumlu section on this forum?
How could you possibly know what I think of people who live in Uzumlu. Amazing the number of Ex-Pats who believe they don't need to know or to have even met someone to have deep set beliefs on them. For your information you are wrong. I have dozens of friends who live/lived in Uzumlu and I like them very much. I can't think of any great number of people I know who live/lived in Uzumlu who I don't like.
Too remote? Can you please define what "too remote" actually means? Remote from what exactly? Do you mean away from the holiday resorts full of grockles?
In the interests of free speech that is my opinion. Too remote from the places I would want to be regularly. Uzumlu as a location is not a small village, it is a sparse expanse across a large plateau. Forget being remote from Fethiye, some "Uzumlu" properties are remote for getting into Uzumlu!!!
Too cold? Colder than where?
Calis, Fethiye. In the interests of free speech that is my opinion again. So significant is the temperature difference that I would enter a topic and suggest to anyone buying there look for the best insulation possible as it is colder than other areas.
Too cliquey? Yes probably- but that is the same the world over in small towns and villages away from the mainstream.
See, you can accept opinions - as long as they match yours of course.
I don't even live in Uzumlu!
I'm warming to the place a bit
Free speech is something we should defend at all times, that is why all opinions are allowed to stay on CBF, we do not censor those from people who like things that are different to those we personally like. The problem with many people is that the free speech they value is just their own.
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I take it from everyone's silence, there are no hard facts to substantiate the original allegation?
My recollection was that the incident was ultimately not denied. The cause/reason/build up to the attack was disputed. So it happened, but take your pick on the stories as to why?
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Since we now seem to be mulling over the history of Uzumlu on this forum I'll throw in a contribution. The first time I ever heard of the place was when there was all that hoohah over the cement factory. Whatever happened to that?
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Nothing.
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Nothing concrete anyway
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We stopped it from being built!
;D
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Fi & Eric scared them off
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In my opinion, Uzumlu is very beautiful. When I first started house hunting in Turkey, I deliberately didn't take my husband to see any properties in Uzumlu.
I knew he would want to live there. I also knew that it wouldn't suit our children who are all in their 20s or their various friends and my extended family as they wanted to be nearer Fethiye and Olu Deniz.
My husband confirms my thoughts every time we drive up to or through Uzumlu and berates me for not giving him the opportunity to live there.
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Free speech is something we should defend at all times, that is why all opinions are allowed to stay on CBF, we do not censor those from people who like things that are different to those we personally like. The problem with many people is that the free speech they value is just their own.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.
Je suis Charlie Hebdo and all that!
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We stopped it from being built!
;D
Well done you. There must have been singing and dancin' in the streets - until the arguments and fighting broke out that is.
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I take it from everyone's silence, there are no hard facts to substantiate the original allegation?
My recollection was that the incident was ultimately not denied. The cause/reason/build up to the attack was disputed. So it happened, but take your pick on the stories as to why?
If one party to a dispute chooses not to post on a public forum for a multitude of reasons, then why is it assumed the incident happened? Or put it another way, the allegation must be the truth?
"Take your pick on the stories as to why?"
What? This is an invitation to add yet more speculation on something that is just that, a story- no more, no less. Correct me if I am wrong, but this "story" was posted by a person who was not even in the country at the time, who was recounting something that her daughter claimed to have previously witnessed.
Why let the facts get in the way of a good "story" eh?
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If one party to a dispute chooses not to post on a public forum for a multitude of reasons, then why is it assumed the incident happened?
You aren't listening.
I didn't "assume the incident happened". I was recalling that both 'sides' appeared to confirm it did - what I said was that in defence of the premises owner, some people (I assume sympathetic or close to him) offered a very different version of the events that night leading up to the incident - (e.g. I recall someone saying the boyfriend was extremely drunk and got aggressive, accusing people of stealing his sunglasses, etc) - so effectively they explained what may have made the guy act the way he did.
So once again for the hard of understanding - My recollection was that the incident was ultimately not denied. The cause/reason/build up to the attack was disputed. So it happened, but take your pick on the stories as to why?
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I am listening, but your right, I am not understanding.
Lets break down what you originally said into bite sized chunks, a technique you are familiar with:
My recollection was that the incident was ultimately not denied.
And my response to that was:
If one party to a dispute chooses not to post on a public forum for a multitude of reasons, then why is it assumed the incident happened? Or put it another way, the allegation must be the truth?
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Your response was:
I didn't "assume the incident happened". I was recalling that both 'sides' appeared to confirm it did
BUT in your original post you state:
So it happened
A clear contradiction of your own words. So I repeat, did anyone at anytime actually witness the alleged incident?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Ok I will, just for you, try a third time.
After the reports of the 'incident'...
The family of the holidaymaker said it happened
The friends of the restaurant owner said it happened but the holidaymaker was no innocent party.
I make that two yes's. One more and he's in the live final.
I can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.
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Could also be two yeses or two yesses. I'll wait for Colwyn to clarify.
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To clarify this thread would require an industrial-scale filtration system. But I'll settle for "yeses" {or possibly "noes"}.
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Ok I will, just for you, try a third time.
After the reports of the 'incident'...
The family of the holidaymaker said it happened
The friends of the restaurant owner said it happened but the holidaymaker was no innocent party.
I make that two yes's. One more and he's in the live final.
I can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.
Your not going to say it are you? The answer to my question is:
NO. THERE WERE NO WITNESSES OR ANY DIRECT EVIDENCE OF THE ALLEGED INCIDENT.
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Just as a general point.
Unsavoury incidents over there (and elsewhere) do often depend on a lack of witnesses being around at the chosen time.
And as another general point.
A lack of witnesses isn't evidence something didn't happen.
Again, those who defended him said he did it because of the provocation he received. Witnesses or not, even his friends didn't deny it happened!
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I agree with all what you say in the above post. However, speculation and gossip can never be a substitute for the facts.
Nite nite!
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And you have provided exactly zero facts that it didn't. Even his defenders accept it did - but of course you know better.
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My place overseas is in Hisaronu. Over the years members from Calis have routinely knocked Hisaronu.
I have kept all my toys in the pram and sat there placidly,trying to figure out why these people would
choose to buy properties built on a swamp. Marmite indeed.
Colwyn. Could you verify if "nite nite" is grammatically correct, looks dodgy to me. ;) ;D
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My place overseas is in Hisaronu. Over the years members from Calis have routinely knocked Hisaronu.
Correct Kev. The difference between Hisaronu owners and Uzumlu owners is that Hisaronu owners give as good as they get and don't go all paranoid and picked on ;)
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I'm beginning to feel a bit left out here. Nobody seems to want to say anything bad about living in Kaya so I've got nothing to get upset about.
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To end this 'hijacking' of the thread; The incident DID happen! We, and others, witnessed the aftermath. We, and others, saw the injuries, We called the Jandarma. We, and others, were at the Jandarma station while all were interviewed. We, and others, were there when the assailants Father came and offered the victim money to drop the charges. The assailant has not denied that it happened he has, instead, offered several different stories as to the events of the night.
This is going through the courts and they will decide the events of the night.
I am puzzled as to the reason why kawasakikid has resurrected this.
This is my one and only comment on this matter.
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Thank you Eric. Not quite "speculation and gossip" after all then.
I agree with all what you say in the above post. However, speculation and gossip can never be a substitute for the facts.
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Thank you for clearing things up Eric, perhaps that will silence the theorists.
Back on thread. KKOB, can I ask why you chose Kaya to live.?
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I'm beginning to feel a bit left out here. Nobody seems to want to say anything bad about living in Kaya so I've got nothing to get upset about.
Well let's see if I can help you there..
Too many empty properties.
The place could do with some TLC and a lick of paint.
The resident ghosts of the ghost town are far too clicquey (is that a real word?)
It's not as nice as Uzumlu, Calis, Ovacik and damn it, not as nice as Hissy
It should be renamed the Vale of Hisaranu or Greater Hisaranu ... laugh now .... you wait till they finish Ovacik
And finally too many mozzies (oh so true)
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To end this 'hijacking' of the thread; The incident DID happen! We, and others, witnessed the aftermath. We, and others, saw the injuries, We called the Jandarma. We, and others, were at the Jandarma station while all were interviewed. We, and others, were there when the assailants Father came and offered the victim money to drop the charges. The assailant has not denied that it happened he has, instead, offered several different stories as to the events of the night.
This is going through the courts and they will decide the events of the night.
Thank you so much for that post. I am due you a very large refreshment of your choice. :)
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KKOB, can I ask why you chose Kaya to live.?
Yes.
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Has anyone had any dealings with the estate agent called My place overseas or one of its owners Omer Kizilca ?
After Kawazakikid's hijacking of the thread into a dicussion about an event long since done and dusted - I really should ask if we can return to topic, which for the purpose of good order is quoted above? :)
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I'm sorry that this post is after Scunners latest but I started it a while ago, then my battery died, I have only just resumed and would be grateful if I could post it now.
Until now I have been sat sitting here in Üzümlü, quietly watching this thread unfold.
Now I have decided to join in the 'bun-fight' on the main issues raised whilst keeping my comments as concise as possible.
As a former Estate Agent, having dealt with property in the UK, Spain & America, I can categorically state that a good percentage of Builders/Developers will tell 'absent' buyers anything they want to hear just to get a sale. Whether they keep to their word is often another matter. Caveat emptor!
When I sold my business in the UK, it put me in a position whereby we were fortunate enough to choose where to retire to, be it in the UK or elsewhere. We chose Üzümlü.
That was our preference in Turkey, we do not dislike Fethiye, Calis, Hisoranu, Ovacik (or even Kaya, KKOB) in fact we visit them all several times each year, but we just don't feel like living in any of them.
Now to the 'incident'. Where I was not witness to the fact, I will use the term 'allegedly'.
It is not denied by the bar owner that the incident took place however the alleged cause has never been fully defined, it would appear that there were several factors involved, such as alleged theft of sunglasses, alleged jealousy over a friend of the bar owner being offered words of comfort by the female 'victim' concerned which allegedly ended with the male 'victim' hitting the man concerned, the very large bar bill that the 'victims' allegedly failed to pay before leaving, even though they & the bar owner knew they were leaving the country a few hours later and the alleged actions of the bar owner that followed.
The incident was investigated by the Jandama and the findings sent to the Court prosecutor.
About 3 months ago the bar owner received notification from the Court that no action was to be taken in the matter because of inconsistencies in the statements of the two 'victims', basically their story of events allegedly did not match, and the Court prosecutor could not understand how, when the male 'victim' had allegedly had his Passport allegedly stolen, did he manage to leave the country?
I'm sure that others will dispute what I have said here but these points are as I see them.
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I'm just glad we chose Çiftlik, it may not have the scenic views of the other places mentioned but it's an absolute haven for us.
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The real point is that I saw many people who were looking for to buy in the area - and not everyone will like the same place, thank the Lord. Eric (in this topic) is a friend of ours and whereas Uzumlu to me is too remote, cold in winter and boring, I understand why people like Fi & Eric might choose it. I wouldn't - and nor would they choose my old place in Calis. I was pretty rubbish when you look at my success rate at selling in Uzumlu and bloody good/lucky with Calis - and that is because I believe I speak from the heart - my heart.
Ultimately we should all try and remember and appreciate just how diverse Fethiye area is - from Ciftlik to Hisaronu, Calis to Karagozler, Ovacik to Uzumlu. I can't think of anywhere else offering so much variety.
Shame the topic was turned into a rehash of a long since dormant subject. It's not easy to understand the motivation of certain people sometimes.
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Well I like Kakakoy, KKOB. Lovely place and so different from the place up the road. We love to go there for lunch, so peaceful and quiet.
I could quite happily have a place there.
I never see much property advertised in Kaya, but we have noted new builds going up in the last year or two.
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Well I like Kakakoy, KKOB.
It's KAYAKOY Jacqui !
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I know, but thought that would get you going.. naughty me :o :angel:
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Why am I getting picked on here??
You've just answered your own question.
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Another day, another dollar. I am starting to enjoy myself so let battle commence!
Firstly, to coin a phrase used previously by a certain Mr. S:
In the interests of free speech I'll post what I like, not what you think I should.
HIJACKING
The subject of the "Uzumlu beating up" was not broached by me, but by another poster:
I seem to remember a very long thread about a bar and someone being beaten up.
This quip was presumably raised to add weight to the negative connotations concerning Uzumlu that were starting to surface at this point. It should be noted therefore that the subject of the original post had already gone "off piste" which was of course:
Hi,
Has anyone had any dealings with the estate agent called My place overseas or one of its owners Omer Kizilca ?
Many thanks
So why, if addressing the above post, was an alleged assault that happened previously and had nothing to do whatsoever with above question, ever raised in the first place? Any guest or indeed member who was reading this topic for the first time may have got the distinct impression that the people living in Uzumlu went round bashing each other up, or "slugging it out" and was a sort of enclave of disgruntled ex-pats. This, I would suggest, is not an accurate representation of actual life in Uzumlu.
Again from memory (and I stand to be corrected) the original posting on the "beating up in Uzumlu" from last year contained nothing but wild allegations, gossip (some possibly malicious), presumptions, hearsay, assumptions etc. etc. and ended up being akin to a kangaroo court. It was clear that an incident of sorts did happen, but unless and until someone who witnessed the alleged assault and all the circumstances surrounding it and was willing to discuss it on an open forum, no one was entitled to come to any hard and fast conclusions- let alone apportion guilt or innocence to any party.
And that is why I felt I needed to remind people that it was not up to this forum or any other forum for that matter, to act as judge jury and executioner. That is the responsibility of a court of law. I am not au fait with the Turkish legal system, but in the UK, where most of us originate, there is a presumed innocence until proven guilty and the burden of proof in criminal cases is "beyond all reasonable doubt"
I am not suggesting for one minute that people should refrain from expressing their views- what I am saying is an open mind should be kept, until the facts come out or at least become clearer. As you know, there are two or more sides to any story.
THE "INCIDENT".
Even when Eric joined the discussion last night, he was unable to state that he witnessed any incident. He said:
We, and others, witnessed the aftermath.
But not the actual incident. Eric believed at this point that the matter was still on-going:
This is going through the courts and they will decide the events of the night.
It appears that Eric or the other "witnesses" were never approached to attend court, or at least he does not say he was.
Subsequently, Hamlet made a a very interesting posting, the upshot of which was:
About 3 months ago the bar owner received notification from the Court that no action was to be taken in the matter because of inconsistencies in the statements of the two 'victims', basically their story of events allegedly did not match, and the Court prosecutor could not understand how, when the male 'victim' had allegedly had his Passport allegedly stolen, did he manage to leave the country?
So there we have it. Some apparent facts at last!! Following an investigation by the Jandarma, who must of taken statements of all relevant witnesses and a court hearing, a judge (who must of studied/listened to all the evidence) stated that "no further action" was to be taken against either party because of inconsistencies of the alleged victims.
Guilt has never been established.
It would therefore be appreciated that in future people do not use this issue as ammunition to shoot at Uzumlu.
p.s. I still don't live there!
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Yawn
Just one point then I am out of this "as you didn't see it, it couldn't have happened" dull argument.
You imply you are an independent voice as you "don't live in Uzumlu ". True, you live a few miles from remote Uzumlu in an even more remote spot.
Hardly the Mr. Independent you try to paint yourself as.
Very sad.
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Colwyn. Could you verify if "nite nite" is grammatically correct, looks dodgy to me. ;) ;D
I don't see anything wrong with the grammar as it applies to a colloquial phrase. However, the spelling is obnoxiously incorrect.
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Definition of nite:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/nite
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Yawn
Just one point then I am out of this "as you didn't see it, it couldn't have happened" dull argument.
You imply you are an independent voice as you "don't live in Uzumlu ". True, you live a few miles from remote Uzumlu in an even more remote spot.
Hardly the Mr. Independent you try to paint yourself as.
Very sad.
Quick fire quiz. Delete yes/no as appropriate:
1. Should personal remarks be kept out of informed discussion/debates? YES/NO;
2. Should a geographical location of a contributor to a debate/discussion diminish the merit of what is being said? YES/NO.
Answers on a postcard to:
BLACKMAIL
BEHIND THE HOT WATER PIPES
THIRD WASHROOM ALONG
VICTORIA STATION
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Well I like Kakakoy, KKOB. Lovely place and so different from the place up the road. We love to go there for lunch, so peaceful and quiet.
I could quite happily have a place there.
I never see much property advertised in Kaya, but we have noted new builds going up in the last year or two.
As I sit here and type, I am sitting in Kayakoy at Avalon Steppes about to stay a couple of nights in a yurt. If I had known this is camping, I would have joined the girl guides. Every luxury, on suite, air con, huge double bed, wonderful hosts, delicious food, cold efes and a dip pool. Utter bliss! KKOB, I luv luv luv Kayakoy. :D 8) ;D
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That's glamping Sadler. ;)
Iyi tatiller
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Cold Efes lovely, and there should be a few Spirits, around Sadler, :D ;D :o : :) : :)
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Quick fire quiz. Delete yes/no as appropriate:
1. Should personal remarks be kept out of informed discussion/debates? YES/NO;
2. Should a geographical location of a contributor to a debate/discussion diminish the merit of what is being said? YES/NO.
As Admin I must reply to these searching questions.
1. No - and you haven't been subjected to any, Mr. Taylor Crute.
2. No - The person that brought your location into this was you. The subject of your geographical location was brought up, twice, by you, in this topic - in an attempt to suggest you had no links with the area being discussed. You have. You live just outside Uzumlu.
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Sadler, do you have an en-suite and a toielt?
My parents camped all over the U.K when I was very young as I got older they started to go abroad. So, set off from Liverpool down to the Channel ports and over to France., my parents were mad for camping. So I have camped so many places in Europe. From an apple orchard in Germany, to halfway up a mountain in Switzerland, then a beautiful valley in France with a waterfall and of course in Spain a country they loved and I had so many trips to lovely sites there. I adored the camping and the views and even then a lot of the Camp Sites were luxurious, but what I always hated were the communal toilets and wash rooms. Please tell me things have now changed. ??
We really love Kaka and it would probably be a place we would buy a property in. Hope you try the Istanbul for lunch Engin's homemade bread is lovely. Also have a look into Villa Rhapsody. A little haven of peacefulness. Owners are lovely people and will make you welcome. :)
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KKOB, I know it's glamping - just my attempt at some humour!
Jacqui, there is a huge double bed, fridge, air con, wardrobe, and toilet, shower and washbasin. Believe me, I would be the last person to stay where there are communial loos. It is called Avalon Steppes. Google it and see. We have the Topkapi Palace. Very Turkish and luxurious. :)
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Yes but JH wants to know about the condition of the kaka house!
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Glad to hear that. I watch a programme on T.V. "Four in a Bed" where couples with B.&.B's try each other's accommodation out and rate it. There was a Yurt Camp in Wales, I think, but everyone complained about the communal loos and wash room. One guy objectd to getting up in the middle of the night and having to walk across the camp to the loos.
Well that sounds really good Salder. May go and book in for a few days Thanks for the heads-up. Will pass on the information to others. :)
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I was sure that I had seen this topic somewhere. Can someone tell me where I might find it please ;)
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It appears to have disappeared on page 2, H. 8)
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If you can't beat them H, you just have to join them! :)
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I just love this forum ! I dont think I've ever been as entertained as I have been since the day I joined.
I've missed out on so much all my life, I just wish I could work out who lives where and more importantly who has no direct connection with the Fethiye region anymore.
Keep up the good work.
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If you look under our Avatars you will see where we live. Once, a while ago Scunner put some facts and figures on about the members and where they lived. As I recall the biggest majority live in the U.K. but some of us have a second home in or around Calis. Then came the members who have holidayed in the area for many years. Lastly there were the ex-pats who live in the area. It would be interesting to see that again :)
However, we all have a direct connection with the Fethiye area, which is why we are members of this Forum.
We would not be here if we had no connection. :)
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Some people own properties in Turkey and rent them out but do not live there and there are also members who are married to Turkish partners.
I agree with you that the forum is most entertaining. I also think that it is very reassuring to be able to come on the forum for advice and information. It provides a link to people who are mostly trying to be helpful and share their personal experiences of the country and a degree of friendship. Long may it last! :)
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A key word for this forum is "helpful".
There may be the occasional wrangles and sometimes that is entertaining and/or cringe-worthy, but if ever help is needed, I see so many offers of support and guidance on here.
I just know that if anyone genuinely needed a hand, at home or in Calis, they would get it.
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I love the "wrangles", it adds a bit of colour! I wonder what the few Turkish forum members make of it! Think they are pretty good at wrangles themselves though!
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Ah Wranglers, my favourite brand of jeans. ;)
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Who is Jean? ;)
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Stacey's mum in S'tenders ! :)