Another day, another dollar. I am starting to enjoy myself so let battle commence!
Firstly, to coin a phrase used previously by a certain Mr. S:
In the interests of free speech I'll post what I like, not what you think I should.
HIJACKINGThe subject of the "Uzumlu beating up" was not broached by me, but by another poster:
I seem to remember a very long thread about a bar and someone being beaten up.
This quip was presumably raised to add weight to the negative connotations concerning Uzumlu that were starting to surface at this point. It should be noted therefore that the subject of the original post had already gone "off piste" which was of course:
Hi,
Has anyone had any dealings with the estate agent called My place overseas or one of its owners Omer Kizilca ?
Many thanks
So why, if addressing the above post, was an alleged assault that happened previously and had nothing to do whatsoever with above question, ever raised in the first place? Any guest or indeed member who was reading this topic for the first time may have got the distinct impression that the people living in Uzumlu went round bashing each other up, or "slugging it out" and was a sort of enclave of disgruntled ex-pats. This, I would suggest, is not an accurate representation of actual life in Uzumlu.
Again from memory (and I stand to be corrected) the original posting on the "beating up in Uzumlu" from last year contained nothing but wild allegations, gossip (some possibly malicious), presumptions, hearsay, assumptions etc. etc. and ended up being akin to a kangaroo court. It was clear that an incident of sorts did happen, but unless and until someone who witnessed the alleged assault and all the circumstances surrounding it and was willing to discuss it on an open forum, no one was entitled to come to any hard and fast conclusions-
let alone apportion guilt or innocence to any party. And that is why I felt I needed to remind people that it was not up to this forum or any other forum for that matter, to act as judge jury and executioner. That is the responsibility of a court of law. I am not au fait with the Turkish legal system, but in the UK, where most of us originate,
there is a presumed innocence until proven guilty and the burden of proof in criminal cases is "beyond all reasonable doubt"I am not suggesting for one minute that people should refrain from expressing their views- what I am saying is an open mind should be kept, until the
facts come out or at least become clearer. As you know, there are two or more sides to any story.
THE "INCIDENT".
Even when Eric joined the discussion last night, he was unable to state that he witnessed any incident. He said:
We, and others, witnessed the aftermath.
But not the actual incident. Eric believed at this point that the matter was still on-going:
This is going through the courts and they will decide the events of the night.
It appears that Eric or the other "witnesses" were never approached to attend court, or at least he does not say he was.
Subsequently, Hamlet made a a very interesting posting, the upshot of which was:
About 3 months ago the bar owner received notification from the Court that no action was to be taken in the matter because of inconsistencies in the statements of the two 'victims', basically their story of events allegedly did not match, and the Court prosecutor could not understand how, when the male 'victim' had allegedly had his Passport allegedly stolen, did he manage to leave the country?
So there we have it. Some apparent facts at last!! Following an investigation by the Jandarma, who must of taken statements of all relevant witnesses and a court hearing, a judge (who must of studied/listened to all the evidence) stated that "no further action" was to be taken against either party because of inconsistencies of the alleged victims.
Guilt has never been established.
It would therefore be appreciated that in future people do not use this issue as ammunition to shoot at Uzumlu.
p.s. I still don't live there!
