Post by: chris35 on August 05, 2015, 09:28:03 AM
Post by: KKOB on August 05, 2015, 10:46:35 AM
If those people posting on Facebook are that concerned they should go and ask the relevant people about it as I suspect there aren't any local government employees reading the page and/or passing on the concerns.
If a statement were issued I doubt there would be many of those complaining that were competant enough in Turkish to understand it anyway.
:)
Post by: kawasakikid on August 05, 2015, 16:21:57 PM
I can clearly remember the sea was crystal clear right up to the shoreline. There did not seem to be pollution of any sort apart from a stray reed or two brought down by the river at Yaniklar. The great sea water quality was one of many reasons we decided to move to this area. Then, a couple of years ago, this all changed. Swimming in the sea was like swimming in a sewerage farm. It was (and still is) disgusting. At this time, I noticed a beige colour extending several meters out from the shore line. At first I put this down to the dredging and other canal work that was going on at the time. But, since this has finished a long time ago, the discolouration remains.
Although it would be hard to prove, I have several friends who have recently swam in the sea at Calis and all of them ended up with very bad stomachs.
I last went swimming at Calis beach about a month ago. Unfortunately, nothing had changed. So I am wondering chris35, whether you are seeing what I saw, or whether it has got even worse now.
So the real question should be "who do you need to get in touch with to sort this issue out?"
I do agree that you can talk about this on forums until the cows come home and nothing will change. So who do we go to for something to be done?
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 05, 2015, 18:36:56 PM
JT
Post by: stoop on August 05, 2015, 23:57:00 PM
Post by: quackers on August 06, 2015, 05:54:39 AM
Post by: philrose on August 06, 2015, 12:03:52 PM
Think I'll give the swimming a miss today then.......
Post by: yabanci on August 06, 2015, 12:40:23 PM
Post by: kawasakikid on August 06, 2015, 15:16:27 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 06, 2015, 15:21:49 PM
Post by: GordonA on August 06, 2015, 15:38:48 PM
Post by: kawasakikid on August 06, 2015, 16:00:52 PM
Post by: JohnF on August 06, 2015, 17:26:39 PM
JF
Post by: KKOB on August 06, 2015, 19:10:55 PM
What would be brilliant if we could get a photograph of the said pipe discharging the sewerage and display on this site.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyJK9sWDzMUx_QhhoLFqlJacECDdk-dg3XKbz4Odu5goCflZIDQ9NlyT58)
Post by: littlereddevil on August 07, 2015, 13:48:00 PM
Post by: true blue on August 07, 2015, 16:58:06 PM
I actually thought it was sea algae or something similar but when I asked the owner of Bakrac he came right out with it and said it was sewage from the new hotel and told us not to go in the sea until the tide had change later in the afterrnoon.
While we were sat in one of the pergolas 2 people(a man and a woman)came who were apparently from the Fethiye Beledyie and looked at the sea and took photos and a long conversation then took place between them and the Bakrac beach bar owner.
Later in the day the police came and the owner showed them them the sea and also the photos he had taken earlier that morning.
I don't know what happened after this only that we did not go into the water as it was still green where the waves broke on the shore line and also you could unfortunatley see excrement floating in the water.
Hopefully after the 2 visits from the "officials" something will be done very quickly to resolve this problem.
Post by: patrice on August 07, 2015, 17:14:59 PM
Post by: eldestblade on August 13, 2015, 14:39:05 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 13, 2015, 14:52:54 PM
Post by: Blindside on August 13, 2015, 17:51:41 PM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 14, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
Post by: Colwyn on August 14, 2015, 09:59:05 AM
Post by: Blindside on August 14, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
The slick/channel of sewage is really obvious from the air. As we passed over the top of it, under the parachute, I could see the speed boat that was dragging us go through the slick/channel and the brown waves that were created....
Looking behind us the channel was very clear and looks to originate some way out from the hotel. It is taken by the currents down towards Calis mainly but it also appears to go a little the other way too.
Not pleasant to think that people are swimming in that, even if it has broken up a little by the time it hits the shore.
Turtles vs Turtlesheads....
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 14, 2015, 11:57:03 AM
Post by: Colwyn on August 14, 2015, 13:14:01 PM
Post by: tamd on August 14, 2015, 17:25:24 PM
Post by: Rimms on August 14, 2015, 18:37:31 PM
From what I read the local authority are aware of the problem, they can either ignore this and ruin the tourist trade or do something about it. They say money talks? We will see.
Post by: tamd on August 14, 2015, 18:56:15 PM
Post by: mercury on August 14, 2015, 19:02:39 PM
The sea quality in The likes of Greece and Spain are superb compared to Calis.. We have seen the Brown streams coming from the boats from time to time. I thought that this was supposed to have been stamped on.
When going out on the boat trips you have to go quite a way before you stop seeing the rubbish of bottles. carrier bags etc.. Same with the harbour in Fethiye... A beautiful place like Fethiye shouldn't be the state that the harbour is...
Post by: apollo on August 14, 2015, 19:08:15 PM
I have emailed Thompson for comment but without reply, I also submitted a trip advisor question asking about the pollution since the hotel has been in existence. Trip advisor refused to post my comments.
I have done the same and have got the same results
Post by: Ali baba on August 14, 2015, 20:52:39 PM
Post by: Blindside on August 14, 2015, 21:01:16 PM
Post by: Ali baba on August 14, 2015, 21:13:20 PM
Post by: stoop on August 15, 2015, 15:27:29 PM
Who allowed them to place drainage pipes in the sea and why? Surely they build cess pits for the human waste?
I noticed the colour on a photo a friend put on FB last week. That was the surf cafe. However they have been in the sea every day and not mentioned anything about the colour/quality of the water.
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 16, 2015, 13:24:22 PM
JT
Post by: stoop on August 16, 2015, 13:42:58 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 16, 2015, 14:12:11 PM
So are we saying a brand new, multi million pound hotel has been set up to pump sewerage into the sea? I find this hard to believe but if true then why?
Who allowed them to place drainage pipes in the sea and why? Surely they build cess pits for the human waste?
I noticed the colour on a photo a friend put on FB last week. That was the surf cafe. However they have been in the sea every day and not mentioned anything about the colour/quality of the water.
Who allows them to pump sewage into the sea? Same people who let them fence off a public beach. I also remember them pump raw sewage into the river at the back of the place and the Ex-Pats who lived there where up in arms. There was a lot about it on your Koca Calis F.B. Page. I remember one guy having a meeting with the Management who offered him a free week at the place. It seems that they think a free week may buy off people and keep them on their side. I could not possible comment about this though... ;) :o :-X
Post by: stoop on August 16, 2015, 16:14:39 PM
You also didn't answer the question. Who allowed it and why would soil pipes be allowed to be placed in the sea? Surely we have moved on from that - even in Turkey?
Oh - and it's 'were' not 'where' ;)
Post by: Colwyn on August 16, 2015, 16:27:49 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 16, 2015, 16:47:05 PM
Post by: scorcher on August 16, 2015, 17:01:53 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 17:04:57 PM
Post by: Blindside on August 16, 2015, 17:08:15 PM
The "authorities" allowed it or were duped by the builders/owners and if so they should be made an example of. Either way it does need to be sorted. As someone else said, perhaps the water discolouration is due to additional algae growth?
It is a disgrace though as looking around from the water taxi and from Kings Garden it really is a beautiful area. If the powers that be could resist the easy money and maintain very high standards (and pumping raw sewage into the sea isn't) then it could remain as somewhere special.
If they lose sight of that and/or chase the lowest common denominator then it will end up like any other shi@@ole and then the question would be why come here?
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 17:13:40 PM
The "authorities" allowed it or were duped by the builders/owners
Hotel Dumps Raw Sewage in Sea - But the Blame Lies Elsewhere
If I'd run a pipe from my sewage pipe into Fethiye bay I don't think "Oh the builder/authorities said it would be ok" is going to get me off the hook!!!
Get real people!!
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 16, 2015, 17:54:47 PM
I have no idea who gave them permission to pump sewage into the sea. However, perhaps someone can answer the question, who gave them permission to fence off a public beach? I read comments about this on the Koca Calis Forum too. I am sure if you have the money anything is possible.
As for spelling, who cares, I don't . I type at over 70 w.p.m. always have and I make lots of mistakes my fingers act before I get my brain in gear and will continue to do so. So get used to it folks. Seems I touched a raw nerve though. If I where/were/wear defending a big resort at every opportunity even to the point of calling people I have know for years names, like sh@t stirrers and trashing them on the Forum we all belong to. I would also try to deviate from the subject as well, knowing the usual suspects would come in and be tricked into changing the subject from something important to something silly.
Post by: Blindside on August 16, 2015, 20:27:47 PM
Maybe, the hotel owner got an "independent" marine biology/environmental company to provide an official analysis that determined that the wind/tide/current/local environmental factors meant that the sewage would be broken up naturally and would therefore cause no harm whatsoever? That would enable the local authority to pass the development and subsequently blame the independent "experts" if it were all BS.
Maybe, it will be broken up naturally and not cause a problem 90% of the year apart from peak season and they need to sort that bit of the year out differently?
All hypothetical but possible scenarios. Mostly anything is possible with enough money. Doesn't make it right or pleasant or seem to be a good long term decision for the area.
Post by: KKOB on August 16, 2015, 20:35:19 PM
As for spelling, who cares, I don't . I type at over 70 w.p.m. always have and I make lots of mistakes my fingers act before I get my brain in gear and will continue to do so.
Ah, so you type all the correct letters, but not necessarily in the correct order.
Post by: Scunner on August 16, 2015, 20:36:26 PM
All hypothetical scenarios that could perhaps in some way mean the hotel is not at fault.
All hypothetical but possible scenarios.
If the hotel is pumping raw sewage into the bay then the fault lies with them. Not marine biologists, or the local authority, or some long since gone politician, or the builder, or anyone else.
If it is the case that the hotel is pumping raw sewage into the bay, the hotel and the hotel alone is responsible and the hotel and the hotel alone would be held accountable. A big boy did it and ran away doesn't work in Turkey either.
Post by: Blindside on August 16, 2015, 20:51:44 PM
It might be perfectly legal. Unpleasant but all signed off and allowed.
I'd hope not as there was a load of it swilling about- it's not an overspill from CBF is it??? :)
Post by: stoop on August 16, 2015, 23:53:35 PM
Same with the staff accommodation. Who allowed them to build it in the middle of a lake when there is so much land available that would be far more suitable?
My underlying thought is that if they are actually causing the pollution then its more likely through crap workmanship than deliberate actions. Either way it should have been picked up by the building inspectors.
Post by: stoop on August 16, 2015, 23:57:40 PM
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 00:06:34 AM
My gripe with you and others is that you go out of your way to trash it and those who dare spend their money to go there - at every opportunity.
As for s hi t stirrers - seemed I touched a nerve too. They know who they are and if the cap fits you then you are quite welcome to where it :)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 17, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 17, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
going into the sea as healthy as a retired slightly fatty livered overweight pensioner can be and coming out
again with c-dificil, Bubonic Plague and smelling distinctly of sewage to boot. I just wish there
was some kind of proof either way! Definitely wont be coming to Calis again until whatever it is is fixed regardless
of who did it and who has been paid of or not paid off :)
We had a campaign a while back about attacks on women in Calis and seem to remember we could email the
Governor in Mugla, could that be somehow applied to this issue? (typed slowly and carefully!)
JT
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 12:19:35 PM
The planet I am on is the same planet that a lot of us here on CBF are on with regard to your defence of this resort even to the point of forgetting who your friends are on CBF you think nothing now of alienating people you have known for years just to allying yourself with this new bunch of people who run this F.B. Page. Well, I hope they will be as good friends with you in the time to come as the people on CBF have been.
I never forget who my friends are Jacqui because I choose them very carefully. I also have no desire to add more friends to my circle from the Sensatori holiday makers. Why would I? I will probably never meet any of them as I won't be holidaying there.
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
We go over soon and I won't be swimming in it unless I think its clean.
I've just had friends over who came back on Saturday. I've asked for their input as they were in it every day at the Surf Cafe. They are still alive I think ;)
I'll relay the answers when they reply.
Post by: nichola on August 17, 2015, 13:01:19 PM
Personally I think they should all be connected to the main sewage and there is no excuse for new hotels in particular not to be connected at the same time as they are being built and the work should be done to connect those that aren't.
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 13:18:28 PM
"It wasn't as good as previous years, I don't go in much but M said there were a few poos and bits of debris, I noticed odd paper type stuff in it. That was at surf cafe, we did spend a couple of days at aroma and I didn't notice anything, though I tend to walk round with my eyes closed lol xx@
Also thanks for clearing that up Nichola.
Not good at all! Unless it's sorted then CB could lose even more tourists.
Post by: Blindside on August 17, 2015, 14:01:08 PM
I do wonder at people who seem OK swimming whilst human waste floats by....I have never swam in the sea at Calis in 4 visits and I certainly wouldn't risk my health to do so.
It cannot be a selling point for the resort.
Post by: stoop on August 17, 2015, 14:08:35 PM
Post by: dycedon on August 17, 2015, 15:35:27 PM
Post by: Blindside on August 17, 2015, 16:13:44 PM
I do participate in Open Water swimming (Salford Quays and Chatsworth House in the Great Swim Series and triathlons) and have scuba dived so I'm happy in water. I don't like the beach at Calis due to the stones and the heat and I'm not a lover of lying on a beach anywhere. I like being able to nip into AC to cool down. Salford and Derbyshire are cooler than Calis!
I cannot comment on what the water quality/ratio of turds is normally like in Calis as I haven't even paddled in it. It was only due to someone flagging the potential (recent?) situation whilst I was there (I got back home last night) that I took any interest in it's current state.
The colour of the sea did look different when it was pointed out though. It is a very distinct colour change that I certainly hadn't noticed before in 4 visits. It's not uncommon for Salford Quays or even Windermere to be closed to swimming due to Algae growth so large bodies of water can and do change for that reason.
Post by: apollo on August 19, 2015, 18:50:17 PM
Post by: GordonA on August 19, 2015, 19:09:46 PM
Now, now, Stoop. You know that it is quite permissible on a forum to accuse fellow contributors of having sexual relations with their grandparents or condoning mass murder and similar small offences. But to point out a spelling mistake is to go beyond the boundaries of acceptable forum behaviour and to receive a storm of abuse. Tut, tut. Anyway, after the mistake JH says she did it deliberately to wind up GordonA.
Hey you, keep me out of this !! Illiteracy is the big problem in this instance, in my not so humble opinion. Stoop, you go for it mate, and if you ever want lessons in "wind upping", my hourly rates are very reasonable .;-)
Post by: KKOB on August 19, 2015, 19:29:11 PM
Post by: Colwyn on August 19, 2015, 21:24:13 PM
Don't you mean "winding up" ? ;)What, and finish a statement with a preposition? How slovenly.
Post by: scorcher on August 20, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
Post by: KKOB on August 20, 2015, 08:24:51 AM
Don't you mean "winding up" ? ;)What, and finish a statement with a preposition? How slovenly.
Yep, I was always the rebel at grammar school ! ;)
Post by: Blindside on August 20, 2015, 10:41:16 AM
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-ranks-second-in-clean-beaches-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=87226&NewsCatID=341
Turkey beaches: number 2?
Is someone taking the micky?
Post by: GordonA on August 20, 2015, 16:18:45 PM
Don't you mean "winding up" ? ;)
I know what I meant !!
Post by: GordonA on August 20, 2015, 16:21:43 PM
Don't you mean "winding up" ? ;)What, and finish a statement with a preposition? How slovenly.
Yep, I was always the rebel at grammar school ! ;)
With a cause ?............. Alan ,u cld of gone 2 are skool, in Liverpool !!
Post by: KKOB on August 20, 2015, 16:31:44 PM
Post by: mercury on August 20, 2015, 18:24:40 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 20, 2015, 18:41:07 PM
Post by: stoop on August 20, 2015, 18:45:42 PM
Personally I can't see that myself as its a long way for poo to travel but you never know.
I also have a wonderful lasagne recipe. I'll post it sometime - in the correct section of course.
Post by: mercury on August 20, 2015, 19:38:52 PM
Bodies travel miles in the sea currents Stoop. A fe brown lumps is nothing...Typical blaming the staff..
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 20, 2015, 20:02:00 PM
Post by: jackstee on August 20, 2015, 20:44:58 PM
Sorry new turkısh keyboard
Post by: Scunner on August 20, 2015, 20:56:51 PM
As in 17 and a half million pounds?
No wonder they charge for sunbeds!!
Post by: Liz 101 on August 20, 2015, 21:12:48 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 20, 2015, 21:22:07 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 20, 2015, 21:26:06 PM
Post by: Liz 101 on August 20, 2015, 22:05:15 PM
Post by: lissa on August 21, 2015, 18:08:36 PM
Post by: lissa on August 21, 2015, 18:09:32 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 21, 2015, 18:23:05 PM
Post by: tamd on August 21, 2015, 18:33:09 PM
Post by: stoop on August 22, 2015, 18:52:40 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 22, 2015, 20:30:07 PM
Post by: stoop on August 22, 2015, 20:41:28 PM
Might paddle in it and catch a few just for you :)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 22, 2015, 20:55:17 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on August 23, 2015, 18:20:32 PM
Post by: lissa on August 23, 2015, 19:27:53 PM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
Is it true that the Hotel is pumping raw sewage into the sea from the Hotel? I have heard reports that it can be clearly seen and is polluting the water as far as Calis? I heard that the Hotel has been fined for this but is still doing it? Is this true?
Lets see :)
Post by: Toky on August 25, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 11:44:09 AM
Post by: kevin3 on August 25, 2015, 12:07:08 PM
Post by: JohnF on August 25, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
Of course but I wonder what would happen if everyone who reads this did similar? Deluged the site :) ?
They'd block you, so to speak...
However, if everyone posted on here and used within the post the key phrases "sensatori fethiye review" or "sensatori turkey review" then given this sites credibility with Mr Google, this thread would start appearing on page one. :)
JF
Post by: apollo on August 25, 2015, 12:50:11 PM
Thank you for your further email.
We have just had a response back from our resort office.
They have advised, they have seen the comments on social media sites and have spoken to the hotel and they have also seen the comments.
They say that they do a lot of work for the environment and are working towards getting a Travelife award and are aware of things that can help to improve the environment.
Thanks again for contacting us and letting us know your thoughts.
Kind regards,
Alison Cooksley
Customer Service Advisor
Thomson Holidays
Post by: ArtyMar on August 25, 2015, 13:10:22 PM
Post by: jrichards1 on August 25, 2015, 13:48:55 PM
I do a lot for the environment and am aware things can help to improve it. I'm not pooing in the sea though.
Perhaps that's what the Travelife award is. Who can poo the most and see how far it travels.
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 14:34:17 PM
Of course but I wonder what would happen if everyone who reads this did similar? Deluged the site :) ?
They'd block you, so to speak...
However, if everyone posted on here and used within the post the key phrases "sensatori fethiye review" or "sensatori turkey review" then given this sites credibility with Mr Google, this thread would start appearing on page one. :)
JF
Well, actually not, check...my post is still there, well it6 was 30 seconds ago, come on everyone post similar :)
JT
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 14:35:24 PM
annd to be sure ..... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensatori-Resort-Fethiye/372512472947092?fref=tsOf course but I wonder what would happen if everyone who reads this did similar? Deluged the site :) ?
They'd block you, so to speak...
However, if everyone posted on here and used within the post the key phrases "sensatori fethiye review" or "sensatori turkey review" then given this sites credibility with Mr Google, this thread would start appearing on page one. :)
JF
Well, actually not, check...my post is still there, well it6 was 30 seconds ago, come on everyone post similar :)
JT
JT
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 14:36:54 PM
The reply which I have just received from Thomsons.
Thank you for your further email.
We have just had a response back from our resort office.
They have advised, they have seen the comments on social media sites and have spoken to the hotel and they have also seen the comments.
They say that they do a lot of work for the environment and are working towards getting a Travelife award and are aware of things that can help to improve the environment.
Thanks again for contacting us and letting us know your thoughts.
Kind regards,
Alison Cooksley
Customer Service Advisor
Thomson Holidays
her email address please? Again lets all write! moor momentum! JT
Post by: AOK on August 25, 2015, 16:04:18 PM
The reply which I have just received from Thomsons.
Thank you for your further email.
We have just had a response back from our resort office.
They have advised, they have seen the comments on social media sites and have spoken to the hotel and they have also seen the comments.
They say that they do a lot of work for the environment and are working towards getting a Travelife award and are aware of things that can help to improve the environment.
Thanks again for contacting us and letting us know your thoughts.
Kind regards,
Alison Cooksley
Customer Service Advisor
Thomson Holidays
Corporate Bull**** for 'We don't Give a Toss'
Post by: JohnF on August 25, 2015, 16:14:34 PM
Of course but I wonder what would happen if everyone who reads this did similar? Deluged the site :) ?
They'd block you, so to speak...
However, if everyone posted on here and used within the post the key phrases "sensatori fethiye review" or "sensatori turkey review" then given this sites credibility with Mr Google, this thread would start appearing on page one. :)
JF
Well, actually not, check...my post is still there, well it6 was 30 seconds ago, come on everyone post similar :)
JT
Trust me, if folks started flooding their FB page with negative posts they'd remove the posts and block every one who did so. There is no such thing as "free speech" but at least here you don't get binned for not following the party line, well most folks don't ;)
JF
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 16:37:01 PM
And ............it is still there!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensatori-Resort-Fethiye/372512472947092?fref=ts
I actually tried to find anything on google about Sea Pollution in Calis, the Sensatori polluting the sea, a ll I got was CBF so.............looks like the Worlds search engines don't sit holding their breath for what will appear on CBF to make sure the World knows does it? :)
Me? Cynical?
Post by: Anne on August 25, 2015, 16:47:56 PM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 16:52:30 PM
Don't see your post there Johnits here!?? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensatori-Resort-Fethiye/372512472947092?fref=ts
JT
Post by: ArtyMar on August 25, 2015, 16:55:06 PM
Post by: Colwyn on August 25, 2015, 17:02:04 PM
Post by: JohnF on August 25, 2015, 17:06:18 PM
OMG!! You mean they would block me from the Sensatori site? What can I say, the soles of my boots quake in fear, my pupils are dilated with terror, i could even get banned from the local Library reading rooms? A fate worse than death.....perhaps not!
And ............it is still there!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensatori-Resort-Fethiye/372512472947092?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensatori-Resort-Fethiye/372512472947092?fref=ts)
It wasn't when I looked as well, just didn't want to burst your bubble by telling you so.
I actually tried to find anything on google about Sea Pollution in Calis, the Sensatori polluting the sea, a ll I got was CBF so.............looks like the Worlds search engines don't sit holding their breath for what will appear on CBF to make sure the World knows does it? :)
Stop being an arse. While no search engine holds its breath for any web site, you can be assured that content on CBF is indexed (by Google, Yahoo & Bing) within a day or so. Hence all you got when you searched was.... CBF!
JF
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 17:07:30 PM
so have posted on BOTH
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Barut-Hotels-Fethiye-Sensatori/792686007505237?fref=ts
JT
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 17:11:47 PM
Think you've become a nonperson lad (USSR circa 1935).Thought that b*****d Trotsky might have tipped me off..... sigh, there is no decency in the post revolutionary Politburu any more!
Its enough to make you seek Asylum in the UK and vote Tory!
:)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 25, 2015, 17:16:23 PM
Wait a minute, he might say this is sh@t stirring :)
Post by: Colwyn on August 25, 2015, 17:41:19 PM
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 25, 2015, 18:36:34 PM
Post by: Menthol on August 25, 2015, 19:26:01 PM
I said, 'We have added to your post about the sewage allegedly pumped into the sea from the Barut Group Hotel, Sensatori Fethiye Turkey'
Post by: ArtyMar on August 25, 2015, 20:50:20 PM
If so, absolutely shocking. I trust this will be stopped, or the hotel closed. One hotel should not be allowed to ruin holidays for thousands or to endanger health of innocent tourists.
Post by: Menthol on August 25, 2015, 20:57:56 PM
ArtyMar and I have added to your post on the Turkish Facebook for the Sensatori Fethiye Turkey Review page.
I said, 'We have added to your post about the sewage allegedly pumped into the sea from the Barut Group Hotel, Sensatori Fethiye Turkey'
That was me doing an Arkwright above.
I actually put on the facebook page : I have also heard about this and so bad was the pollution from this hotel that the sea changed colour! How can a 5 Star luxury hotel be happy to allow their guests to swim in sewage. Please also note that the beach is supposed to be protected to allow the breeding and nesting of the turtles. Is this really true?
Post by: Toky on August 25, 2015, 21:02:36 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 25, 2015, 21:28:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/sensatorifethiye
Post by: Toky on August 25, 2015, 21:33:46 PM
This is the link and if you are banned permenantly, it'll say "Content currently unavailable"
Post by: stoop on August 25, 2015, 21:55:27 PM
If it's the same next time I might even venture in for a closer inspection. If I see any foreign bodies I'll let you know.
Post by: Highlander on August 25, 2015, 22:08:11 PM
Post by: Anne on August 25, 2015, 22:35:50 PM
banned within minutes
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 25, 2015, 22:40:43 PM
Post by: MarKar on August 25, 2015, 22:45:56 PM
markar
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 26, 2015, 10:24:58 AM
Chris N Daina Thompson The pool looks lovely and clean. Shame the sea in front of the hotel and as far as Calis is full of human excrement that is being pumped out of this hotel. Just so you know when you decide to fork out a fortune to stay here.
I am sending a FB Message to anyone who has posted. I too wrote to Thomson at cares@thomson.co.uk
Ahh good, well got a load of posts and comments out before they kicked me off :)
Now. letters to the travel writers of all the National Newspapers being posted this morning!
JT
Post by: ArtyMar on August 26, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Sadly, I fear a) Thompson have the money to give back handers to any officials with any power to do anything and
b) the cost of doing whatever is necessary will be immense and take time with consequent income loss to Thomson related to lack of guests not to mention pay-off to staff/compensation to holiday makers. Thompson may do an analysis of cost v benefit to themselves and decide in favour (naturally) of themselves.
A national newspaper campaign could have a major effect on Turkish tourism in general - therefore the issue should be brought to the highest Tourism authority in Turkey who may be able to override locals. Maybe . . .but unless the campaign was big and well coordinated (or at least the threat of such), there may be general 'tut-tutting' but no action.
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 26, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
Perhaps 10,000 leaflets to be distributed at all UK Airports, leaflet distributors outside Media City Salford etc.
Wont get anything achieved until next year but...................
I am going to work on finding out exactly who is involved in ownership of the Barut Fethiye Sensatori .....suspect local Politicians involved!
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 26, 2015, 13:51:13 PM
Post by: stoop on August 26, 2015, 15:22:46 PM
Maybe action has been taken? Maybe the colour was indeed caused by something else?
For your info John, Barut is a massive company in Turkey. They have built many huge hotels and seem to have the councils in their pocket. I'd tread carefully before I started throwing my weight around - especially if you own a place out here.
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 27, 2015, 13:13:30 PM
and "something is being done", so lets see :) I am out in mid October so will look for myself and take some
samples for analysis.
Thomson may finally have put pressure on :)
Might still wear a dry diving suit to swim though :) :)
JT
Post by: patrice on August 27, 2015, 14:20:20 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on August 27, 2015, 15:15:26 PM
<<Thank you for your email.
I have spoken to resort and they have advised this has been looked into. Please bear with us whilst we wait for a response.
Kind regards,
Joshua Howells
Customer Service Advisor
Thomson Holidays >>
Post by: KKOB on August 27, 2015, 15:46:46 PM
I believe Simon Callder is the Tourist Information / Holidays Editor in the Guardian. He is always on T.V. so perhaps if you have written to the Guardian, he will pick this up?
It's Simon Calder, and he's the Senior Travel Editor for The Independent.
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 27, 2015, 18:19:39 PM
Post by: curvanord on August 27, 2015, 21:20:58 PM
Thank you for your email.
I can confirm that this is untrue, several weeks ago a local Turkish man made claims to a journalist that we are running sewerage into the ocean and the journalist ran with the story. The journalist issued an apology in the paper on the 30th June 2015 confirming that his original story was untrue but unfortunately by this time, the rumours had already caught on.
The hotel has a filter system that filters dirty water into clean water which is then used to water the grass next to the hotel. This is common practice for many hotels and is done correctly. We also have a drainage pipe which goes into the forest but this is used only for rain water. The hotel does not have any pipes that go into the sea.
The local government authorities make regular visits to this hotel to regularly test the water and ensure the hotel is adhering to all the correct guidelines and we also have staff members whose job is to ensure the filter system is working correctly at all times.
I hope this provides clarification and if I can assist with anything further, please let me know.
... Hopefully this is accurate and not a fudged reply...
Post by: stoop on August 27, 2015, 22:11:13 PM
Post by: KKOB on August 27, 2015, 22:43:56 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
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Does anyone know why the the 80k tl ???? and why the Thomson's message made no mention of this???
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 09:03:06 AM
Where is the pipe that is allegedly discharging into the sea ?? Did anyone see them installing it across the beach ??
Presumably it would have been a large pipe requiring a large trench to be dug. Given the contours of the land I think it would have to be a pretty deep trench by the time it got to the sea to allow for sufficient downhill gradient ? In theory it would also have to go some considerable distance out from the shore and this type of pipe usually becomes visible after a while.
Where is the actual outflow into the sea ??
I think it would actually have been cheaper to install a small filtration system instead of laying in the pipe ?
Any clues anyone ?
Post by: Scunner on August 28, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
I've just walked about 100 yards in both directions and only seaweed is being washed up. I would have expected to see any nasties as well but there is nothing.
Not defending anyone but I've yet to understand why a multi million pound hotel would discharge human waste into the sea. I think there's much more chance it's the odd boat coming back to Fethiye that is discharging it's waste where it shouldn't.
Great thoughts about the pipe as well. Did anyone see it being laid? Also does anyone have an actual link to the reports on the fines?
Ask said earlier - locals are saying it's the new staff block causing the problem but I have my doubts about that even more. It's a good half mile to the sea from there and I can't see them going to the trouble of laying a pipe that far when there are far cheaper options.
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
Maybe getting rid in port has risen in cost and some are not willing to pay it?
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
In fact he's complained to the tourism ministry about it as it's obviously going to affect business.
So the plot thickens :)
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 12:53:09 PM
The more you think about the idea of pipe, the more and more unlikely the idea that one exists becomes.
Given the location of the hotel the (rather long) route of any pipe to the sea would have to cross land that they do not own. Even in Turkey this would be a difficult thing to do.
The pipe would have to cross the beach road. The disruption during the installation would have been immense. I have seen the result of pipe laying elsewhere and there would now be a massive scar on the road and the landscape where the pipe was laid.
I think it is time to assume that no pipe exists and before there is any more chucking of brown stuff the facts should be checked much more carefully............. as an owner of a hotel, publicly and falsely accused of being the cause of the problem I think I might get quite upset............ I might even consider legal action........
Post by: johntaylor49 on August 28, 2015, 13:07:38 PM
I've just been up parasailing and launched from what I think was the new hotel (which looks to have very good facilities which is just as well as it is completely isolated).
The slick/channel of sewage is really obvious from the air. As we passed over the top of it, under the parachute, I could see the speed boat that was dragging us go through the slick/channel and the brown waves that were created....
Looking behind us the channel was very clear and looks to originate some way out from the hotel. It is taken by the currents down towards Calis mainly but it also appears to go a little the other way too.
Not pleasant to think that people are swimming in that, even if it has broken up a little by the time it hits the shore.
Turtles vs Turtlesheads....
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Although this post suggested opposite? Blindside??
J
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 13:24:06 PM
Stoops observations today contradict it totally.
"False accusations always lead to false smears"
(Loosely adapted from a George Soros quotation)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 13:44:09 PM
It cannot be denied that they have been fined so they are guilty of polluting the sea water, whether they have a sewage pipe or not, they must have put quite a lot of "matter" into the water to be fined. :(
Post by: Colwyn on August 28, 2015, 13:55:00 PM
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 14:33:00 PM
And no answer to my question either .........
Where is the pipe ? (or any evidence of any sign of a pipe having been installed)
IF the Coastguard are responsible for monitoring coastal pollution, IF they have power to impose such fines, and IF a fine has been levied, however the hotel caused any pollution it was not via a pipe into the sea.
Given the size of the hotel, if they were discharging all their untreated human waste into to the sea (which has very little tide) the beaches would be knee deep in the stuff by now, as well as being littered with dead marine life.
The Thompson rebuttal statement is quite clear “The hotel does not have any pipes that go into the sea.” ( What grounds are there for not believing this, but accepting FB posts as being gospel ? )
My last comment on the matter is that until someone can post a photo showing any sign of a pipe existing or having been installed then it would be wiser to assume it does not exist.
I will eat humble pie if someone proves me wrong.
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 14:33:02 PM
Last week it went out about 50 feet. Today it's 200 yards plus! That's a hell of a lot of crap!
I prefer to take notice of a bar owner who has lived and worked the area for the last 8 years and Calis itself much longer. I think he will know more about the sea here than any of us on this forum. If he says it's the 12 Islands boats dropping their load, so to speak, then I would tend to believe him tbh.
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 14:33:28 PM
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 14:52:23 PM
http://www.baruthotels.com/en/baruthotels/environment
And how much cruise ships dump in the ocean :
http://factually.gizmodo.com/cruise-ships-dump-a-billion-gallons-of-sewage-in-the-oc-1668307131
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 15:12:08 PM
Link to the fine Jacqui?
The below piece was posted by Liz 101 who lives in Calis and I have not reason not to believe her.
Re: Sea pollution ????
« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2015, 21:12:48 PM »
Fined 8,271,000 tl for an illegal basement. 4,132,000 for the construction co & the balance payable by Barut, owners of the Sensatori. In addition they have been fined 80k tl by the coastguard for sea pollution
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 15:15:26 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 15:26:04 PM
In the meantime, there is no way I would allow any of my family to dip their toes in the water. No matter how many people seem to want to defend this place.
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 15:30:43 PM
I'm not saying Liz made anything up but stories here go round like Chinese whispers.
As for believing a local - why don't you believe one who has lived here all his life and runs a beach bar every single day?
Post by: Colwyn on August 28, 2015, 15:37:49 PM
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2015, 15:39:49 PM
I think history will prove that this is another one of them.
( A wise man (who I think runs a forum) is reported to have said "When in Calis believe nothing, unless you have actually seen or witnessed it yourself. " But I have never heard him say it - so it may not be true)
Post by: KKOB on August 28, 2015, 15:48:07 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 15:55:25 PM
Stories never get 'made up' in Calis/Fethiye do they
I'm not saying Liz made anything up but stories here go round like Chinese whispers.
As for believing a local - why don't you believe one who has lived here all his life and runs a beach bar every single day?
Some would say that if someone ran a beach bar they would tell the tourists that everything is fine. I make no comment :D
Post by: Colwyn on August 28, 2015, 15:59:36 PM
Post by: yabanci on August 28, 2015, 16:48:29 PM
Link to the fine Jacqui?
The amount of fines were taken from an article published in the Sun Express free newspaper dated 3rd-9th August 2015.
Post by: Colwyn on August 28, 2015, 17:19:37 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 21:08:57 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 28, 2015, 21:11:49 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 21:13:10 PM
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 21:24:40 PM
Stories never get 'made up' in Calis/Fethiye do they
I'm not saying Liz made anything up but stories here go round like Chinese whispers.
As for believing a local - why don't you believe one who has lived here all his life and runs a beach bar every single day?
Some would say that if someone ran a beach bar they would tell the tourists that everything is fine. I make no comment :D
And some would think that someone who ran a beach bar would have a lot to lose if there was crap floating in the sea.
He's already told me and others that he's sure it's the boats and has reported them. What more do you need?
I heard a story first hand the other day. One of our neighbours went on a boat trip and they were told they couldn't dock at one particular, idyllic beach. So the captain emptied the toilet waste, laughed and moved on.
He thought it was hilarious. They thought it was horrible.
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 21:27:00 PM
Post by: stoop on August 28, 2015, 23:00:25 PM
I guess it's ok to turn a blind eye if you enjoy the trip
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 28, 2015, 23:51:18 PM
Post by: Blindside on August 29, 2015, 06:52:36 AM
What's further round the corner away from the hotel? Is that a bay that a boat(s) would visit and therefore could empty their tanks? Or do boats ever sit in the bay directly out from the hotel?
Could it be some kind of surface run off due to the local changes on land?
All a bit weird.
Post by: stoop on August 29, 2015, 14:42:17 PM
Read the article Jacqui! The filtration systems are not always sufficient!
Post by: Colwyn on August 29, 2015, 14:53:33 PM
Funny how often people tell us not to believe what you read in the press. Except when they are telling us not to believe what isn't in the press.Well I believe the squirrel story.
Squirrels is the name of the Motorized Squad of the Turkish forest rangers whose motor bikes have been fitted with water tanks and foam tanks so they can fight small fires. Don't judge a story by its headline!
http://www.sunexpressnews.com/squirrels-to-extinguish-fire/
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 29, 2015, 16:48:37 PM
It would seem strange that this problem in Koca Calis has only just appeared since the new Resort was built.
Of course, the Sensatori did already discharge sewage in the local canal in Koca Calis, so, I would assume they are the No.1 suspects.
Post by: MarKar on August 29, 2015, 19:42:08 PM
They are there from early evening until late after, midnight picnicking, (perfectly entitled to do so even if the beach does look like the local tip the following morning). Just a thought......where's the local toilet?.
Markar
Post by: Scunner on August 29, 2015, 19:47:25 PM
Post by: kevinartois on August 29, 2015, 19:54:07 PM
Post by: MarKar on August 29, 2015, 20:07:38 PM
Right in front of the beachSpot on ;) lol!
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 29, 2015, 20:55:49 PM
Sound like Koca Caiis may not the place to be lately, this is going to affect the property market if word gets out :)
Post by: kevinartois on August 29, 2015, 20:59:09 PM
Post by: stoop on August 29, 2015, 22:33:17 PM
Says it all I think.
Enjoy your pull on the chain next time you are afloat
Post by: curvanord on August 30, 2015, 08:19:59 AM
I will definitely be venturing in. Hopefully next post won't come from a Calis pharmacy!
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on August 30, 2015, 09:17:54 AM
Not interested in reading about the filth that cruise liners dump in the sea but can't wait to blame a new hotel for something that's not been proved.
Says it all I think.
Enjoy your pull on the chain next time you are afloat
No, get it right. I said I am not interested in reading articles about cruise liners. However, if you are worried about pollution. I believe air travel comes into this subject particularly long trips to the States.
I don't recall anybody complaining about sewage in the sea around Koca Calis until the Sensatori was built. If I owned a place next door to this Resort in Koca Calis, I would be worried and would stop defending this resort at every opportunity and find out exactly what is causing the pollution.
I think I would be making enquiries to find out is it true the resort has been fined for polluting the sea as it was reported in the local press. Perhaps your friends who run the Sensatori F.B. Page might be able to help with this?
The Sensatori have been guilty of polluting the river in Koca Calis this year. This was well documented ( on the Koca Calis F.B. Page you run) by angry residents who seemed to very frustrated with the lack of help from the Resort . I recall reading that the man who was running the campaign against the pollution and was writing all the letters was offered a free week at the Resort..
Is it totally unthinkable that the resort could be implicated again?. Surely not, it must be some random Cruise Ship floating off Koca Calis.
Post by: sarah d on August 31, 2015, 09:24:38 AM
Post by: stoop on August 31, 2015, 09:53:45 AM
Barut were guilty of riding roughshod over the locals in Koca Calis and this was unacceptable. We can all hope that they might help keep the waterways clear this winter that their staff part meant block does not become flooded.
Post by: KKOB on August 31, 2015, 15:13:25 PM
Post by: stoop on August 31, 2015, 15:53:39 PM
Post by: Scunner on August 31, 2015, 16:08:57 PM
Post by: desmartinson on August 31, 2015, 16:17:30 PM
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Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 01, 2015, 11:59:32 AM
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Post by: stoop on September 01, 2015, 22:11:31 PM
Post by: stoop on September 01, 2015, 22:13:55 PM
Funny how they didn't start pooing there till the hotel opened ;)
Not saying it's the turtles. My money is on the passing boats.
No way is the hotel pumping raw sewerage into the bay IMO.
Post by: Scunner on September 01, 2015, 22:27:26 PM
i.e. They enter the bay and go the direction opposite to where the "problem" is/was. So how is it not evident in Fethiye Centrum but has been hugely evident where none of the boats you blame go?
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 01, 2015, 23:32:19 PM
So, as this problem just recently occurred, is there anything new in the area that could be connected to this pollution? Well I can't think of anything. It's a total mystery. :o ;)
Post by: KKOB on September 02, 2015, 06:58:03 AM
Post by: Colwyn on September 02, 2015, 08:20:07 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 02, 2015, 08:27:31 AM
Post by: Colwyn on September 02, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
Actually we were in Edinburgh enjoying the beautiful sunny weather and catching the End of Fringe firework festival.
Post by: mac2010 on September 02, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Post by: Phil on September 02, 2015, 11:15:54 AM
I really think there is a similar false association being made here between a hotel going up and the problem on the beach.
I do vaguely remember speaking to someone quite a few years ago about nasties that can appear on areas of Calis beaches. It is only now, after a few Face Book postings and bleatings, that the connection to the new hotel has been inferred........ read the first few posts of this thread and see how it all developed from a question to a fact without any proof at all.
Tidal currents, off shore currents winds and tides can mean this stuff could be coming from literally anywhere and any direction. (Think about the message in a bottle game). It isn’t reported in Fethiye Centrum because no one swims there, but there has certainly been talk about the sea at Aksazlar for many years.
As another thought... where is the facility for the Calis Boats to discharge their waste tanks at the quayside in Calis. Has anyone ever seen a tanker hooked up to any of the boats to empty their tanks ( I have occasionally seen one in Fethiye). I am willing to bet a shilling or two that sadly, practically all the Calis boats and a good proportion of the Fethiye boats surreptitiously dump their waste at sea.
Maybe we should start asking them if they do ??
(Or we could start a Face Book page stating that they do dump waste and demanding that everyone boycotts the boats, we could hand out ten thousand leaflets and ask Simon Calder to get involved....... even though we didn’t have any proof and the boats denied it.)
PS : Any one found the pipe yet ??
Post by: stoop on September 02, 2015, 18:28:20 PM
However it's much better for some to blame the new hotel no matter what evidence they lack.
Post by: Daffodil on September 02, 2015, 18:54:56 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 02, 2015, 21:10:32 PM
Someone will have to get to the bottom of it. : :) :-X
Post by: Phil on September 03, 2015, 09:08:12 AM
Any falling prices won’t have anything to do with the exchange rate, the state of the British economy, the glut of properties on the market or the lack of good properties on the market, the political situation in Turkey, the uncertainties about Residency, the Turkish cost of living, the mistrust of the Turkish property market or any other of the dozens of factors it could be – it will ALL be down to this fable.................
Post by: KKOB on September 03, 2015, 13:09:31 PM
Post by: stoop on September 07, 2015, 16:29:43 PM
Maybe whoever was dropping the crap has been caught?
Been here three weeks and seen nothing nasty. Maybe lucky but we have been to the beach a few times.
Post by: stoop on September 07, 2015, 16:30:26 PM
Post by: stoop on September 07, 2015, 16:32:14 PM
Post by: mercury on September 07, 2015, 18:00:37 PM
Post by: stoop on September 07, 2015, 21:49:25 PM
It really was lovely in the sea. We were all apprehensive after the bad press but it really was lovely.
Post by: KKOB on September 07, 2015, 23:16:18 PM
Post by: Scunner on September 07, 2015, 23:23:23 PM
I think I'd give it a miss, given the recent contamination caused by the hotel/boat/turtle/whatever. The cause doesn't really matter - nobody disagrees that it was significantly contaminated. Just because you can't see it anymore doesn't mean it's safe yet.
Post by: stoop on September 08, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
We are all more than ok today so I'll take my chances - like lots of others seem to be doing on a daily basis.
...and yes it was lovely KKOB. :)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 08, 2015, 14:33:24 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on September 08, 2015, 21:52:38 PM
Post by: Scunner on September 08, 2015, 22:23:07 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 08, 2015, 22:28:10 PM
Post by: Scunner on September 08, 2015, 23:09:33 PM
Well in that case maybe we should give the sea a miss everywhere.
Well I wouldn't go that far, but certainly avoid those sea areas that were full of visible and significant contamination just a few weeks previously.
Post by: kayakebab on September 09, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
Post by: Lotty on September 09, 2015, 09:00:48 AM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 09, 2015, 09:18:20 AM
Post by: Phil on September 09, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
1. Swimming pools are filled with water that is pumped up from the water table.
2. Houses empty their drains into cesspits in the ground which seep water slowly into .......
.......... the water table !
Yes, I know swimming pool is treated.
But after a particularly nasty holiday ear infection I took my kids to the doctors and he said that he NEVER swims in a swimming pool. He only swims in the sea.
He maintained that no swimming pool cleaning regime could totally rid a pool totally of all the nasties and he saw loads of problems associated with swimming pool water. His view was that a skip full of nasties in the sea would cause less problems than an egg cup full of nasties in a pool.
Needless to say I still swim in our pool, cross the road, get on a dolmus, ride a bicycle and engage in other hazardous activities including swimming in the sea.
(Don’t forget that you shouldn’t be swimming in the sea in Calis any way ‘cos it’s contaminated with chromium from the old mine working)
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 09, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
I think you Doctor was speaking about a communal pool.
Post by: Phil on September 09, 2015, 13:07:13 PM
Bit over the top I grant you.
What difference can it possibly make whether the pool is communal or private ?? The problems are the same (ie people).
Pools are tested every day for the correct pH value. They are not tested for any biological or bacterial contamination.
I try not think about what an in depth, laboratory test of any swimming pool water might reveal !
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 09, 2015, 15:25:03 PM
We have had our pool for 10 years now and if we are getting family to stay the pool guy always ask so he can adjust the amount of chemicals etc., We have never had any ill effects from the pool. This year it is just the two of us, so we have no worries. ;) ;D 8) :angel:
Glad all our famous medal winning swimmers and divers have no problems with pools. Obviously, they have not visited your Doctor. :) :)
Post by: scorcher on September 09, 2015, 15:30:27 PM
Post by: Phil on September 09, 2015, 16:50:57 PM
He made such an impression on me that I did do quite a bit of research about swimming pool water and its maintenance – I’ll dig some of it out and post it later. It certainly made me have a lot more cautious approach to ALL swimming pools (including my own).
But I am pleased to say that on Sunday I will be able to jump in ours again.
Post by: stoop on September 10, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
Not a poo expert but I would think turtle poo is pretty harmless due to their diet?
Maybe someone knows?
Post by: Scunner on September 10, 2015, 14:51:39 PM
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 10, 2015, 15:10:30 PM
Post by: KKOB on September 10, 2015, 15:35:25 PM
Post by: villain on September 10, 2015, 16:44:33 PM
Is that wrong?
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 10, 2015, 17:05:20 PM
I wee in the sea all the time. (Well not ALL the time, but you know what I mean)
Is that wrong?
Think you need Jeremy Kyle not Calis Beach Forum to answer that one :) Shame Claire Rayner is no longer with us. ;)
Post by: Lotty on September 10, 2015, 19:28:24 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on September 10, 2015, 21:21:04 PM
If I can't swim in the polluted sea around Calis, the boat trips are a no-no and the swimming pools are a danger to health, and Jacqui keeps implying us that Koca Calis isn't the little paradise I've come to love even though we haven't experienced these floods you're talking about, heck - maybe buying the villa wasn't such a good idea (and that buying process hasn't exactly been a piece of cake - as you can see if you've been reading my blog "Buying the Dream". Oh dear! :'(
Post by: Lotty on September 10, 2015, 21:31:18 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on September 10, 2015, 21:57:40 PM
Post by: stoop on September 11, 2015, 11:07:20 AM
What I was saying is that I think turtle poo is harmless but I'm not 100% certain without checking.
There are also more than a few big turtles in the area.
My opinion is that it was probably human waste from the boats dumping their load and maybe mixed with the inevitable turtle poo in the area. Whatever it was I saw no evidence of it in the three weeks and a bit we were in Koca Calis. The sea looked exactly the same as it has done the previous 12 years we have stayed there.
Maybe they are dumping it elsewhere now or the culprits have decided to clean up their act and pay to dump their waste in harbour.
Post by: KKOB on September 11, 2015, 11:40:03 AM
Post by: curvanord on September 11, 2015, 12:06:05 PM
Post by: ArtyMar on September 11, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: stoop on September 11, 2015, 16:05:41 PM
No pun intended by the person who named it I'm sure ;)
Post by: Lynne09 on September 11, 2015, 16:33:38 PM
Post by: IanK on September 11, 2015, 16:38:35 PM
In turkey, there is legislation regarding their use and the pump out should be recorded on a Blue Card - as a way of tracking that you are actually using them.
You are not even supposed to drain your washing up water into the sea - never mind anything more serious.
How well this is enforced is another matter of course.
Ian
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on September 11, 2015, 17:13:17 PM
Post by: johntaylor49 on September 13, 2015, 08:46:39 AM
Been on Calis beach today saw sewage floating in sea will be staying round my pool for the rest of the holiday very worryingWhere exactly Lynne? I have been looking carefully at the sea from the Letoon Hotel along as far as Sunset Beach and actually looked pretty clean now. Folks about the Turtle Poo I believe that the human is the only animal whose waste is so dangerous generally in that it can carry so many harmful bacteria. In fact in the army we were taught that in dire emergency cow pat could be used as a wound dressing as when fresh it is sterile! All mammal poo takes longer to degrade than other animals. No poo is good to ingest. I explained this to a friend in Calis but he poo-pooed the idea :)
Post by: stoop on September 14, 2015, 08:54:25 AM