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Title: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 08, 2016, 13:43:39 PM

  Any thoughts on the size of the Market crash should the snake oil salesman known as

  "The Donald" be elected to become the worlds most powerful neurotic groper.??       ???
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 08, 2016, 13:50:50 PM
Having a Brexited currency and a Trumped stock market at the same time? Hilary is already telling me we can't earn anything from our accounts and that we might as well just go and spend our savings. You are not helping Kevin.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 08, 2016, 14:37:36 PM
It'll be fine.  One of my old clients is a US pollster and she says Hilary (Clinton) will pull it out of the bag.

I wish I could say I believe her, with the same level of conviction she has.

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 08, 2016, 14:43:02 PM
"It will all be alright" and "Hello to Jason Isaacs".
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 08, 2016, 15:15:22 PM
Sorry. The first quotation should have been "Everything will be all right".
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 09, 2016, 05:23:30 AM
All gone a bit pear shaped for Mrs Clinton.

I think I'll call it a night.  Maybe I'll wake up and find it was just a bad dream and that perma tanned, comb overed buffoon lost.

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: yabanci on November 09, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 07:30:35 AM
What's the betting that come midday we'll find Clinton has the majority of (popular) votes and Trump will be made President on Electoral College votes? Then who will be shouting "Fix!". And that's without any hanging chads type issues to delay us for a week or so.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 07:43:28 AM
Several US media sources stating Clinton has conceded and we have ... President Trump.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 07:46:21 AM

 Yes. I think his acceptance speech is coming very shortly. Hmm.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: marina on November 09, 2016, 08:39:55 AM
God help us all!!    :o
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 09, 2016, 09:06:42 AM
It'll be fine.  One of my old clients is a US pollster and she says Hilary (Clinton) will pull it out of the bag.
JF

Has she got anymore predictions for us to ignore ?  ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 09, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
       

    Gee, it wasn't rigged after all.!!

    The Mexican Peso has just dropped through the floor against the US Dollar

    Canada and Australia have been inundated with requests for Immigration details

    from people in the US.       :)



    And I suspect someone in the FBI is in line for a wee spot of promotion       ;)  ;)


Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 09:47:40 AM
I would like to offer my congratulations to the winner,  Vladimir Putin.

Again.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 09, 2016, 10:09:32 AM
Well, at least Brexit won't go down as the biggest **ck-up of 2016.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 10:34:35 AM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.
 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 10:39:38 AM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.

What exactly has Trump said that he hasn't contradicted himself on five minutes later?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 11:03:47 AM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.

What exactly has Trump said that he hasn't contradicted himself on five minutes later?

 Ahh, just a comment villain. You look on the dark side if you like. I have a more positive outlook about life.   ;D
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: mary62 on November 09, 2016, 12:01:22 PM
Elected on 9/11......
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 12:03:53 PM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.

What exactly has Trump said that he hasn't contradicted himself on five minutes later?

 Ahh, just a comment villain. You look on the dark side if you like. I have a more positive outlook about life.   ;D

There we have it: It turns out that it was actually the stupid that inherited the earth. The meek were merely bystanders.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
We seem to have an unusual (perhaps unique) consensus on this thread. Still if we are worried in the UK what about those people living in the Baltic States? Trump has said he thinks NATO is outdated and that if these states were invaded by Russia, a distinct possibility, there would be no reason for the USA to help them.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
As it stands 123,890 (010 %) more people have voted for Clinton.

And over 5 million voted for neither.

And we thought we were a divided nation.  :(
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on November 09, 2016, 13:07:33 PM
I think what annoys me here is.  Our British news is reporting this and dedicating hours and hours to this news. I don't know what more they can say. I have heard it all now.  I would like to see some of our own news.  I note from the Internet that there has been a tram crash in Croyden, with people dead and injured.   I watched Sky and BBC News this morning and there was no British News.
I have been to the States many times and know they are not very interested in our news and give it little or no air time.   I bet they would not be dedications so much air time to us.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 13:32:51 PM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.

What exactly has Trump said that he hasn't contradicted himself on five minutes later?

 Ahh, just a comment villain. You look on the dark side if you like. I have a more positive outlook about life.   ;D

There we have it: It turns out that it was actually the stupid that inherited the earth. The meek were merely bystanders.

 In my experience, it is the people who whinge and whine about everything that they don't agree with, while at the same time cannot say in their OWN words WHY they don't agree who are the stupid ones.
 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 13:39:35 PM
So what are Trump's policies,  then? Give me a list and we'll examine them.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 13:49:23 PM
Very impressive use of the quote, inside a quote, inside a quote, (....) function lads but anything over four levels gives me a headache. Could you curtail it now? Please?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 09, 2016, 13:55:38 PM
Old Chinese curse -

"May you live in interesting times"

(another is "may your son become a doctor and you be his only patient" but that's not really relevant).

I didn't know who I wanted to win at the outset - neither really. Predictable Clinton (who I just couldn't warm to at all) or wholly unpredictable Trump.

Anyway, I stayed up all night watching this and as each state went red I started to smile. Don't know why - just appealing to the hitherto unknown anarchist element that must have been hidden in me all this time.

Plus - for all the wrong reasons that Trump made it ("whitelash" etc.) he, at least, acknowledges Britain's existence which is more than Obama or Hillary Clinton have ever done or were ever likely to.

Dear Mr. Trump now we're moving out of the EU please can you fix it for us to become the 51st State (a sunny one, please).

He may even pay to rebuild Hadrian's Wall (and get the Scots to pay).

Sorted.

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 14:15:29 PM

 I have no idea about, and no interest in his policies, villain. It makes no difference to me who won.
  Having said that I did vote to leave the EU. Read into that what you misguidedly will.
  Oh yes, keep abreast of Italian and French press for the next 18 months.

   Nice chatting.   :)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 14:21:56 PM
Rather than running around like Chicken Little saying "The Sky is Falling" I prefer to remember that US Presidents have mostly symbolic power and little real political clout unless they can get Congress on their side. Both the House of Representatives and the Senate are likely (almost certain) to be in the hands of Republicans. Which might have been good for Trump except that he has spent the last year or so slagging off the leading Republicans almost as much as he has been attacking Clinton. A great many of them made it clear that he disgusted them and that many of his stated aims were ludicrous. To get anything through Congress he has to persuade sufficient of them to vote for his policies to overcome the Democrat opposition. A wall along the Mexican border, giving the South Koreans nuclear weapons, leaving NATO, banning all Moslems from entering the USA; how many of these will get through Congress do you suppose? I reckon Trump will have to come back to the famous "Middle Ground" to get anything done.


That's my version of optimism; the best I can do today.


Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: stoop on November 09, 2016, 14:54:40 PM

 Look on the bright side. Mr Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for trade deals.
  Mr Trump seems to be saying the opposite?.

What exactly has Trump said that he hasn't contradicted himself on five minutes later?

 Ahh, just a comment villain. You look on the dark side if you like. I have a more positive outlook about life.   ;D

There we have it: It turns out that it was actually the stupid that inherited the earth. The meek were merely bystanders.

.. and there we have it! Holier than though left winger calling anyone who disagrees with his opinion, stupid.

I guess you'll be calling for a re-run in the US seeing it went against your view?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 09, 2016, 15:49:27 PM


       And President Trumps Tax returns are.------------------------------------------------?.?.?     ???



       I started this thread because I had a hunch.    I wish I hadn't hunched it now.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 16:19:52 PM

 stored online @ Tesco.com.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 09, 2016, 16:46:06 PM
It's so quiet in the Clinton camp now that you can hear the sound of emails being deleted.  ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Daffodil on November 09, 2016, 17:34:51 PM
I wonder if Donald suffers from the Dunning Kruger effect? I also wonder if Scotland will get a wall built along its coastline as well as Mexico along the border?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on November 09, 2016, 17:58:18 PM
I am surprised some members  do not know that "The Donald" loves Scotland, his beloved Mother was a Scot.  He has two Golf Courses in Scotland, one very near us.   He has put a lot of money into Scotland and brought a lot of business here.   So, why would he build a wall??   
He also is very keen on Brexit and wants to be allied with the U.K.  Unlike Obama who was putting us all at the bottom of his list.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 09, 2016, 18:12:41 PM
Trump's business practices in building Scottish golf course. I'm surprised some people who live in Scotland don't know this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk-MHQE2xPQ
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on November 09, 2016, 18:28:57 PM
Obviously, I live in this area and know a lot more than people who live in England and think they know it all.
We have seen this all before, some English guy making a film about something he knows nothing about.
There is another side to this story, which living in Bristol you will not be aware of this.
I personally am glad Trump had built a Golf Course and is employing Scottish people. One of the people living near the course was on our T.V. A couple of nights ago saying how well Trump had treated him and his family and he had no problem with him something left out of this film.

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 09, 2016, 19:15:10 PM


    He's creating a lot of employment in the South Texan border towns, where they are

    advertising for.  4,000 bricklayers. Latino's,Mexican's,Blacks, Gays and War Veterans
   
     need not apply. 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 09, 2016, 19:18:08 PM
He's just kicked a black family out of their house, as predicted.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 19:30:12 PM

Holier than though left winger



I'm intrigued to know why you think that. Why do you think that?

Do you believe in an NHS? That's about the most socialist institution there is. Do you now feel dirty?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: madmart on November 09, 2016, 19:58:03 PM

Holier than though left winger



I'm intrigued to know why you think that. Why do you think that?

Do you believe in an NHS? That's about the most socialist institution there is. Do you now feel dirty?


Villain how about reasoned robust debate rather than cheap insults. You after all did start it by calling people who don't agree with you stupid.

The only sensible thing you have typed is that you are the most unpopular poster in the village.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 20:20:27 PM

Villain how about reasoned robust debate rather than cheap insults. You after all did start it by calling people who don't agree with you stupid.

The only sensible thing you have typed is that you are the most unpopular poster in the village.

O.K. Given what Trump has said to get US voters to put a cross by his name, his victory legitimises his views. Abhorrent, divisive, bigoted filth has no place in a modern democracy. It's not about left or right but right and wrong. In a civilised society we are taught the difference between right and wrong, to respect each other, to know the value of honesty, the importance of integrity. Every single vote for Trump throws these values out of the window - what on earth does this teach children? The glee in which this seen as a "punch on the nose for the left" is a huge insult to those on the right  - as if to say that Trump's views are representative of that section of the political spectrum.

The gradual erosion of common human decency both in the US and here at home is something to be feared. To vote for and to celebrate a victory for someone like Trump only expediates it and I hope and pray that last nights result was an apex, but I desperately fear it's not.

Yeah, pretty bloody stupid to support that excuse for a human being.

Now: give me the courtesy of answering my question(s).
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 09, 2016, 20:29:00 PM

The only sensible thing you have typed is that you are the SECOND most unpopular poster in the village.

There you go, fixed it for you.  Can't have someone nicking my title, you'll get my wee haters all worked up and frothy.

 :)

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: madmart on November 09, 2016, 20:33:58 PM
Now: give me the courtesy of answering my question(s).

When you answer my simple one sunshine!! Rather then the mealy mouthed you don't remember whether you were for or against a referendum, before the result didn't go your way. When just like the spoilt kid you started stamping your feet then took your ball home!!
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: stoop on November 09, 2016, 20:37:01 PM
Trump may be the worst thing that could have happened but like Brexit it came about because of comfortably off liberals ignoring the working man.

You only have to look at Labour - now run by the liberals of Old London Town. A party totally disconnected from the very people it was set up to look after. If they vote down article 50 then they are finished in the North.

The US result came about because successive leaders have lost contact with  average Joe. The Democrats thought they could field a candidate who offered nothing different to what they had before. Trump knew exactly how to wind up support - or at least his script writers did.

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: madmart on November 09, 2016, 20:44:17 PM
I do seem to remember when Ronald Reagan was voted in there was much huffing and puffing from the 'liberal elite'. He is now regarded in the US generally as one of the great presidents.

I am not saying that Trump fits into that category, but as Hillary Clinton has said give him a chance to lead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37929562
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 09, 2016, 21:03:52 PM
 Well anyway, I spent 23 yrs working in the Community mental health team with the NHS. During those years I learned not only to accept what my clients were doing but also to see that they were doing it because of things that were happening in their world. Not my world or your world, theirs. Individuals voted because of what's happening in their worlds. It's done. You don't have to accept it, but you should respect it. It's called democracy and yes, democracy as most people think of it is changing, probably getting nearer to populism.
 At first I couldn't see the relevance of the NHS link but then I slipped back into work mode.  8)

 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 21:34:02 PM
When you answer my simple one sunshine!! Rather then the mealy mouthed you don't remember whether you were for or against a referendum, before the result didn't go your way. When just like the spoilt kid you started stamping your feet then took your ball home!!

Pet names! You obviously won't mind if I call you "Cletus!!" in return.

1. Wrong thread, Cletus!! This one's "Trump", the other is "Brexit". It's even in another forum.
2. The answer to your question is in the other thread on November 3rd. Do keep up, Cletus!!

Please go to the other thread to argue why you think I've "taken my ball home", because I haven't.

Please do stop procrastinating and get on with answering my questions on this thread and the other one. Are you all really that shy?

Finally. surely that's enough cross posting.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: madmart on November 09, 2016, 21:42:44 PM
When you answer my simple one sunshine!! Rather then the mealy mouthed you don't remember whether you were for or against a referendum, before the result didn't go your way. When just like the spoilt kid you started stamping your feet then took your ball home!!

Pet names! You obviously won't mind if I call you "Cletus!!" in return.

1. Wrong thread, Cletus!! This one's "Trump", the other is "Brexit". It's even in another forum.
2. The answer to your question is in the other thread on November 3rd. Do keep up, Cletus!!

Please go to the other thread to argue why you think I've "taken my ball home", because I haven't.

Please do stop procrastinating and get on with answering my questions on this thread and the other one. Are you all really that shy?

Finally. surely that's enough cross posting.

Are you a moderator now?

God help us that'll be worse than Trump being president!!
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 21:50:40 PM
At first I couldn't see the relevance of the NHS link

I was abused about being a "left winger", and I suppose just asked a "right-winger" what he thought of what is an obviously socialist pillar of our society.

I'd just ask if you'd prefer an NHS under State Control as it broadly is now ("Socialist"  ) or a fully-privatised NHS ("Conservative wet dream"  ) .
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 21:55:16 PM

Are you a moderator now?

God help us that'll be worse than Trump being president!!

No, and no it won't, Cletus!!

Please, pretty please answer the questions, or are you simply incapable?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 09, 2016, 22:07:16 PM
Trump's lack of political experience isn't of any great concern to me. He's surrounded by a wealth of that - even though many don't like him.

He is however, a businessman. One who supported Brexit. One who can find Britain on a map.

He's a practical thinker who has mentioned the possibility of putting tariffs on Chinese goods - not that it will directly affect Britain.

For Britain/US trade he must surely be a better bet than Obama or Clinton.

Whatever he does inside the USA, I'd rather deal with him than be ignored completely.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Scunner on November 09, 2016, 22:16:23 PM

No, and no it won't, Cletus!!

Please, pretty please answer the questions, or are you simply incapable?

I have no idea who or what a Cletus is but please call people by their name/username Villain.

Oh, and although I haven't been following this topic, I think he is weary of you and has chosen not to answer the questions.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 22:19:19 PM
Trump's lack of political experience isn't of any great concern to me. He's surrounded by a wealth of that - even though many don't like him.

He is however, a businessman. One who supported Brexit. One who can find Britain on a map.

He's a practical thinker who has mentioned the possibility of putting tariffs on Chinese goods - not that it will directly affect Britain.

For Britain/US trade he must surely be a better bet than Obama or Clinton.

Whatever he does inside the USA, I'd rather deal with him than be ignored completely.

...and he's has also applied for bankruptcy four times and been involved with around 3500 ("three THOUSAND, five hundred" ;) law suits.

Nothing amiss?

And just about the only person in known history to LOSE money running a casino.

Even I admit, that takes a special class of financial "genius"
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2016, 22:24:40 PM
I think he is weary of you and has chosen not to answer the questions.

And I'll wager he ain't alone  ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2016, 23:14:22 PM

I personally am glad Trump had built a Golf Course and is employing Scottish people.


Oh really - he destroyed a beautiful part of where I was brought up :(

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/trump-fails-to-create-promised-jobs-and-investment-in-scotland-locals-say-a6801466.html
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 09, 2016, 23:19:04 PM
Cletus was the name of the slack - jawed yokel in South Park.

Louisiana swampland, Cajun type - unschooled, uneducated, (like the fiddle player in "Deliverance)".

It's also become a school playground nickname for someone with learning difficulties.

Such witty repartee, Villain. How clever and superior you must feel.

As for Trump -

bankruptcy applications, business losses, myriad law suits - he's certainly had his share of financial ups and downs....

...and he has amassed a reported 9 billion plus dollars from which he paid his own way.

I certainly don't think he's a "natural" president but he's a survivor and a winner.

The decision's been made.

He has his chance to make a difference.

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Scunner on November 09, 2016, 23:33:55 PM
Cletus was the name of the slack - jawed yokel in South Park.


It's also become a school playground nickname for someone with learning difficulties.


Disappointing to read playground style name calling in a supposed political discussion here then.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 09, 2016, 23:34:14 PM
It's also become a school playground nickname for someone with learning difficulties.

That's a lovely attempt to smear me, but as a parent of two school age children, including a 9-year old with significant learning difficulties, I assure you the reference was to the Simpsons caricature only.

My other child is 14, and I have never heard that term from her either.

In fact. I can't find a trace of it being used in the manner Stuart T is suggesting.

I didn't start the patronising pet names thing, either.



Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: stoop on November 09, 2016, 23:44:24 PM
In calling you "sunshine" he got it memorably wrong!

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 09, 2016, 23:49:03 PM
To clarify - I should have said "it became" rather than "it has become" a school playground name (along with using "Forrest Gump" when that was popular).

I've not been in a school playground for many years and my children have grown up past the point of childish name - calling.

Since the demise of South Park, I doubt it is used much today.

No "unfair" smearing intended.

What did you intend the name to convey about madmart?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 10, 2016, 00:09:15 AM
Correction: you say "South Park", I refer to "The Simpsons" character.

As a sometimes-Simpsons viewer, I see Cletus (the Simpsons character) as a white, male hillbilly, holding in-grained nonsensical misogynistic, xenophobic and generally (what I see as) backward values. It struck me as someone who is most likely to have supported Trump. What does "sunshine!!" mean?

Yet another straight answer from me. When do I get answers to my questions?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 10, 2016, 00:17:18 AM
I was even more wrong than I thought!

Simpsons - not South Park

From the BBC:

Episode called the Singing Simpsons: Willow's lament that her test scores make her "Cletus, the Slack-Jawed Yokel" refers to a simpleton character in 'The Simpsons', who first appeared in the 1994 episode "Bart Gets an Elephant".

....and of course I fully accept your assurance that the Cletus caricature is all that was meant when referring to madmart

i.e. married to his sister with 28 children - or maybe he has a "smellhound" called "Geech".
 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 10, 2016, 00:35:55 AM
OK, I admit to not having watched all of The Simpsons episodes. Cletus's familial status was often different. His views were (as I remember) generally the same though,

I myself have just acquired a smelly hound. I'm not sure what that adds to anyone's argument, however.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stuart T on November 10, 2016, 01:02:33 AM
Back to the election result, then.....

despite the "#not my President" rallying call of those a little more on the left, it is what it is. Done deal.

Barring anything unforeseen (or perhaps foreseen in the case of assassination) President Trump will take office in January next year.

The sky will still be there and the world's finances will still be moving.

Let's see what Trump makes of it from our point of view. His domestic policies and actions will be viewed with interest but I'm very keen to see what relationships he can forge between the US and UK trading organisations. More, I am sure, than we have seen in recent years and more than Hillary Clinton would have made.

I'm hopeful. More than I would have been had HC got in. She may have been better for the American people (I don't know) but worse, far worse, for US/UK relations.



Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: villain on November 10, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
The sky will still be there and the world's finances will still be moving.

Goodbye, Earth:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en-gb

Please read:

http://www.vox.com/2016/11/9/13571318/donald-trump-disaster-climate
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 10, 2016, 08:30:11 AM
I was rather enjoying this thread for the first few pages. Pity about where it has gone.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 10, 2016, 09:02:33 AM
I do seem to remember when Ronald Reagan was voted in there was much huffing and puffing from the 'liberal elite'. He is now regarded in the US generally as one of the great presidents.

I am not saying that Trump fits into that category
I'd like to highlight that thought since I hear the Trump-Reagan link being mentioned by quite a few people. Reagan served as a trade union leader having spent 18 years on the Board of the Screen Actors Guild with 12 of those as President of SAG. He also held the Governorship of California for 8 years. All this was before he started the first of his three bids to be Republican candidate for the Presidency. I think it reasonable to say Reagan had great experience and skill in politics and an extensive political network before he became President.

Trump has none of these things.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 10, 2016, 09:33:31 AM
I was rather enjoying this thread for the first few pages. Pity about where it has gone.

 Yeah, it's a shame, but to use the phrase that b*lls it up ' look on the bright side '.
 It could have happened in a bar in Calis  ;D
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 10, 2016, 10:20:33 AM


  The Establishments laughed at Farage.      The Establishments laughed at Trump.

  The Establishments have now stopped laughing. Farage and Trump have not.!!

  They understood the public, and the public mood far better than ANY self serving

  and smug Establishment figure. The public have used these guys to send a message.

  They have done that, and I think they will eventually be discarded, having served their

  purpose.

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 10, 2016, 10:53:04 AM

The public have used these guys to send a message.
I wish they would use the post office, email or text like the rest of us do.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: mary62 on November 10, 2016, 12:01:11 PM
There is not much more that anyone can say about the result. We will just have to see what happens in January, but that saying has just come true.......Orange is the new black  ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 10, 2016, 18:29:43 PM
It would be good own a company making newspaper photo inks. Apparently there is a worldwide shortage of orange and are tabloids are showing him as yellow instead.


(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/ColwynJones/Doh%203_zpsgklrvr1i.jpg)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 10, 2016, 23:43:26 PM


   A couple of months ago Kranky Sturgeon of the SNP "sacked" Trump as Scottish Trade Ambassador

   because of his outrageous behavior.  Today she was on the phone reminding him of her affection

   for him and the special bond between him and Scotland.   Humble Pie. ?? Foot in mouth.?? 
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Daffodil on November 11, 2016, 00:09:52 AM
In Ireland where Donald has bought Doonbeg golf course he wants 20 meter wide wall built of limestone to stop coastal erosion, the cost to be paid by the Irish government. There are also a species of valiant snails who inhabit the golf course who are fighting back and need constant surveillance  and protection, plus he is also under threat from the dreaded wind turbines as he was in Scotland. One of his first telephone calls after the election win was to Enda Kenny in Dublin!
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 11, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
There are also a species of valiant snails who inhabit the golf course who are fighting back...

Have they been holding-up the snail-mail ?   ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: davybill on November 11, 2016, 08:28:12 AM
In Ireland where Donald has bought Doonbeg golf course he wants 20 meter wide wall built of limestone to stop coastal erosion, the cost to be paid by the Irish government. There are also a species of valiant snails who inhabit the golf course who are fighting back and need constant surveillance  and protection, plus he is also under threat from the dreaded wind turbines as he was in Scotland. One of his first telephone calls after the election win was to Enda Kenny in Dublin!
What did he say to him.?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Highlander on November 11, 2016, 09:00:27 AM

   A couple of months ago Kranky Sturgeon of the SNP "sacked" Trump as Scottish Trade Ambassador

   because of his outrageous behavior.  Today she was on the phone reminding him of her affection

   for him and the special bond between him and Scotland.   Humble Pie. ?? Foot in mouth.?? 

The woman is the biggest hypocrite on the planet and a total embarrassment :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 11, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
Mr Trump has also turned around 180 degrees in what he says. Before the election he said Clinton was a criminal and the most corrupt politician the USA has ever seen. After the election he said she was a great public servant to whom the USA owes a debt of gratitude. I don't think Sturgeon has a hope of winning the Hypocrisy Stakes against him. Not that she has much of a choice. What would you been saying if she slagged off the President of the most powerful country on earth?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 11, 2016, 09:52:49 AM

   A couple of months ago Kranky Sturgeon of the SNP "sacked" Trump as Scottish Trade Ambassador

   because of his outrageous behavior.  Today she was on the phone reminding him of her affection

   for him and the special bond between him and Scotland.   Humble Pie. ?? Foot in mouth.?? 

The woman is the biggest hypocrite on the planet and a total embarrassment :-[ :-[ :-[

Someone been reading the Daily Mail or the Express perhaps.  It is standard protocol to offer congratulations to the winning candidate of a friendly country's general election.


Scotland's first minister has vowed not to maintain a "diplomatic silence" in the face of any racism, misogyny or intolerance from Donald Trump.

Nicola Sturgeon released a statement congratulating Mr Trump after his surprise victory in the US election.

But speaking at First Minister's Questions the following day, she made clear that she stood by her previous criticisms of his campaign.

Ms Sturgeon had backed Hillary Clinton ahead of the presidential election.

The first minister told MSPs she had faced criticism for breaking the convention that political leaders do not comment on election campaigns in other countries.

But she said many of Mr Trump's comments during the campaign had been "deeply abhorrent".

She said: "I never want to be, I am not prepared to be, a politician that maintains a diplomatic silence in the face of attitudes of racism, sexism, misogyny or intolerance of any kind."

"I hope that president-elect Trump turns out to be a president very different to the kind of candidate he was and reaches out to those who felt vilified by his campaign."

Full article: BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37940485)

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kayakebab on November 11, 2016, 09:56:41 AM
I like this...

https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/president-trump/

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Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 11, 2016, 09:57:14 AM
   Joke of the day. 

   Trump has criticised the hundreds of thousands of protesters taking to the streets each night

   enraged at his election victory.     He says  "they are not being fair. "       
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 11, 2016, 18:56:28 PM

 He went on to praise their passion for their country and said "we will come together to make America great"
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 11, 2016, 19:22:59 PM
Fecking racist, homophobic, misogynistic,  xenophobic snake oil salesman. The only businessman in the US who can lose money owning a casino. The fact I lost $500 in the trump taj mahal in Atlantic City has not influenced my opinion  :)

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 11, 2016, 20:09:15 PM
Fecking racist, homophobic, misogynistic,  xenophobic snake oil salesman.
JF


Wow, how could you tell all that about me from my profile?. I reckon you got your $500 back there   :)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: JohnF on November 11, 2016, 20:22:20 PM
If the cap fits...

JF
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Stopfordian on November 11, 2016, 20:34:37 PM

 Hmm,,,
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: davybill on November 12, 2016, 07:11:38 AM
Fecking racist, homophobic, misogynistic,  xenophobic snake oil salesman. The only businessman in the US who can lose money owning a casino. The fact I lost $500 in the trump taj mahal in Atlantic City has not influenced my opinion   :)

JF
Does that mean you don't like him then?
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: KKOB on November 12, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
Fecking racist, homophobic, misogynistic,  xenophobic snake oil salesman. The only businessman in the US who can lose money owning a casino. The fact I lost $500 in the trump taj mahal in Atlantic City has not influenced my opinion    :)

JF
Does that mean you don't like him then?

He's warming to him.  ;)
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Daffodil on November 12, 2016, 14:04:49 PM
I have a feeling that Mike Pence the Vice President will have a huge influence on the policies set by Trump. He is the grandson of Irish immigrants from the very area where the fighting snails are at present doing battle, Clare. Trump bought the golf course there and they are an endangered species!!Mike Pence is the one behind the scene I think. He has political experience and Trump does not.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: kevin3 on November 12, 2016, 17:50:03 PM

     The unelected prat in the Brussels bubble has spoken ( around the edge of his foot )


     http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731449/Juncker-slams-Trump-We-need-to-teach-him-how-Europe-works
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 12, 2016, 18:42:48 PM
One good thing has come out of the Trump election: TTIP is dead! TTIP is the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement. I have been signing petitions against this extremely dangerous instrument and chipping-in to campaign funds for a few years now. It would have given great power to US firms to take governments to international court for preventing them from free entry into the country's economy. That includes things like the NHS and British education. But Obama has now abandoned it because Trump won't accept pre-existing trade agreement. Unfortunately CETA went through a few weeks ago, despite some forlorn last minute opposition from Walloonia, and that is about as bad - some say worse.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 18, 2016, 17:31:48 PM
It turns out that some of Trump's biggest supporters are KKK and NF. In this context NF doesn't mean National Front but Nigel Farage - or maybe it doesn't make that much difference.
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: stoop on November 18, 2016, 20:24:04 PM
One good thing has come out of the Trump election: TTIP is dead! TTIP is the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement. I have been signing petitions against this extremely dangerous instrument and chipping-in to campaign funds for a few years now. It would have given great power to US firms to take governments to international court for preventing them from free entry into the country's economy. That includes things like the NHS and British education. But Obama has now abandoned it because Trump won't accept pre-existing trade agreement. Unfortunately CETA went through a few weeks ago, despite some forlorn last minute opposition from Walloonia, and that is about as bad - some say worse.

But didn't the EU negotiate this (mostly in secret)?

Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: stoop on November 18, 2016, 20:27:57 PM
Love him or hate him this is very intersting:

https://www.facebook.com/malagurski/videos/1200930089990340/
Title: Re: United States Election
Post by: Colwyn on November 19, 2016, 08:58:22 AM
But didn't the EU negotiate this (mostly in secret)?
And it was approved by UK Gov.