Cement Factory Protest meeting

[friar tuck]

Here here Dogan well said and we should ALL fight the good fight, I am not interested in what the price of my property does as soon it will be my home, a home in a place I LOVE amongst a people I love not all of us are mercenaries !!

[K471DTE]

Dear friends,

I just received following information from Firo..  and couldn't wait and felt need it to be posted...  

"Ok this is the latest news.... direct from the authorities.
After lots of contact with the UK Foreign Office Second secretary in Ankara...he did lots of investigations and asked questions on our behalf...we had confirmation in the form of an official document via the UK foreign Office, from the Turkish Enviroment Ministry that the cement factory had been refused because it was on forestry land. After speaking to the lawyer, we have retained, he thinks that because of the reasons for refusing the cement factory, the Lime kiln will go the same route.
Now we have to go through the courts so that not only it is refused by the Ministry but also the courts, so that Urantas will not just go ahead and build it and suffer the consequences(as is fairly normal in Turkey).
This means that we are winning but we want it all water tight for the future. We are also trying to look into the original quarry permissions as this has trebled insize over the last 2 years.
So the fund raising continues so that we can fund the legal side and then we all will hopefully be able to sit back, breath fresh air and enjoys our homes in the Uzumlu valley.
Many thanks to all that have donated so far it is greatly appreciated by those of us who are fighting the plans on the ground in Uzumlu on everyones behalf.
We have a special night planned for Friday 30th Nov in Uzumlu so if you are here then please get in touch for more details but I can tell you it will be great fun.
If after all this is finished there is any money left in the fund then we will be donating it to a worthy cause in Uzumlu.
Finally, after being told numerous times by certain parties that us Brits would not be listened to by the Turkish authorities and that we had no right to get involved, all I have to say is "Look at the results" and say we did not help this protest!
Many thanks to all who have supported us in Uzumlu and the UK, but we still need those donations
Fi "

Thank you foreveryone who supported this movement.....  we all made it.

Dogan

[Firo]

Thanks Dogan you beat me to posting it
Fi

[K471DTE]

Firo,

We, all togetger beat the B..tards...  (sorry, I know I am not nice but they well deserve it)

Dogan

[kenkay]

I have been reading this and the previous thread with great interest. It is obvious that there are a lot of ex pat Brits and holiday home Brits in Uzumlu. It also seems to be well chosen by people planning to buy and move permanently either sooner or later. Surprisingly, through both threads, I can only find one Turkish contributor, located in Belgium.
Anyway my question is whether the properties that you have had built or bought are founded on bedrock or hard clay and is you brickwork and render bonded with Mastik, putty, Araldite or even chewing gum [?] Or is it the case that you are prepared to tolerate cement as long as it is produced in a plant that blights somebody else's village [?] Also when you have won this battle are you going to do some fund raising to help the Turkish families who might have been hoping for employment[?]
Ken
p.s. We've got a cement plant just down the road from us in Gunlukbasi, although I concede it might only be "readymix" mixing.

[K471DTE]

Dear Kenkay,

Please allow me to answer your question on my behalve. Construction industry is a growing and lockhomotif sector in Turkey. I never disagree any kind of investment or developpement which will create more jobs and revenue for the local community. BUT, this specific project will not ONLY (negative) impact people who has a house or holiday homes in uzumlu, also and surely will (negative)impact local people who are living (still) on agriculture AND tourism. Tourism is the key and is/will creating long term job opportunities for the local people, not the cement factory or similar developpements. My motivation was not only for holiday homes etc...  but impact to beatiful country side and trees that only grows in this area, pls note that I am not expert, but when I drive in april, I have to tell you, I was about to cry... to see all these trees were laying side of the road... freshly cut... most of ourr colls in this forum was agree with me at first meeting.

Why there are not Turkish in this site ? simple, this web side design and communicated mainly for the british, I was informed by my best friend who lives in UK so that's how I become interested. Maybe there is a lack of communication or lack of promotion of this web site. Also, not so many local villagers do read in english. But, from my personal communication, they were so supportive when I visit uzumlu with some british friends.

Fyi, this is 100% correct information, the reason urantas wanted to set this plant in uzumlu, to save cost of transportation!!  infact 50 km north part of fethiye, there are similar places that they can produce cement,with no impact to enviroment, it is mountains... when I put question and my comment, "Yes but, we are already paying high prices for the houses, and what additional cost to house buyers ? " I have not received clear answer and then only few thousand YTL....  for me it was a joke... just greedy approach.

Ref to cement base in gunlukbasi, if you stand up against it and start action I will support you. Fethiye is a place for tourism (side industry is wellcome) and agriculture, nothing else. I already pass this message myself to Head of counceller too. If you know any other case pls let us know, we may also support that action.

In order to help local economy, I suggest on my previous messages, we need to support small business as much as we can. As long as their pricess are not so different then supermarkets...  that will be already good.

K. Rgds
Dogan

[Firo]

Kenkay,
Firstly you live next to a concrete plant not a cement plant.
There is a very distinct difference in the emmissions between the 2 products. A Cement Factory emits the 3rd highest amount of Mercury into the air we breathe as well as carcenegenics. This would effect an area up to 40kms depending on the way the wind blows so as you can work out that includes Fethiye, Calis and Gocek. This would devestate agriculture in the area, kill fish farms on which the locals depend for their living not to mention the health of everyone who breathes in the pollution young and old.
Turkey has enough cement for its own use as documented in the press.
The number of jobs are 25 that stand to be gained but how many jobs will be lost due to this factory? Far more in the tourism industry as well as builders, local shop keepers and food suppliers will lose their jobs.
We are mainly British on this site as that was what it was designed for if you wish to speak to the Turkish people fighting this then please let me know and I will gladly arrange a meeting for you to attend.
We are a united community of Turks, Brits,Germans etc fighting these plans to protect the people, the enviroment and our villages.
I hope this answers your questions and I,m sure if you now do your research you will find out exactly what the differences are between a concrete plant and a cement factory and exactly why we are fighting this.
Thanks
Fi

[saoirse]

Very well said Fi.

Plus add us Irish to the international  list

[kenkay]

Dogan and Firo
I accept and sympathise with your concerns and your reasoning. However, your statement, Firo, that an area within a radius of 40 kms can be affected compounds the matter even more. We all want our properties to be of modern and safe construction which primarily involves the use of cement in it's various forms. Please tell me where it can be produced without upsetting someone.
Ken

[friar tuck]

You are right kenkay wherever the cement is produced there will be pollution, but surely the object of the campaign is to make sure it is not produced in an area of outstanding natural beauty, or do you think they should chop down all the trees and build whatever they like there, it is not a case of NIMBY as you insinuate, it is a case of protecting the local natural beauty and also peoples health, as firo as said Turkiye already produces enough cement for what it needs. If you have been following the thread you will also have read that all the plant for the factory was coming from India now that will help the local economy.