'Westernising' the village

[friar tuck]

quote:Originally posted by Scunner

I wonder if people see the difference between WESTERNISING and MODERNISING? Progress happens, ex-pats/holiday home buyers or not. Why call it "westernising"? Can you really argue that old and quaint is Eastern and modern is western? A flash new bar isn't evidence of progress, it's evidence of westernisation? Absolute nonsense.

Maybe those who want to resist progress should have bought knackered old village houses and sympathetically restored them. A big five bedroom villa with beautiful blue pool and uPVC double glazing etc is totally acceptable but selling cocktails in a wine bar shows the decay of good old village life.

It's the same flawed argument as when those who dread the arrival of something like a MacDonalds in Fethiye. It is argued that it shows pandering to the wishes and needs of non-nationals, whereas the truth is that nobody cares to consider that TURKISH people may want this 'progress' too - OK for Brits in London but not for Turkish folk in their country.

I suppose some will resist any change that modern life brings to the area (apart from within their own private property borders of course, that's not up for debate) - and for those people, it's a real shame that you can't live in an old rock tomb and chase wild boar with home made spears.

Progress in Turkey will happen to some extent whether Brits live in an area or not. Resisting it can be seen as meddling, and I for one tend to agree with that. Much respect to those who chose a simpler life in Turkey, but if you think you can take the batteries out of someone else's clock, you may find they won't like it.

I need to see a Doctor I actually agree with scunner !!!  

[goatman]

Voyageur if your friend Erol knows who did it why doesnt he point the finger or mention names as im sure we would all like to know. This sort of behaviour is not acceptable in the village

quote:Originally posted by voyageur

NO they were according to him English Do you really think Turks would make water bombs and throw eggs?

quote:Originally posted by Firo

Voyageur by "local" can we take it that they were local Turks?
Fi

[calvin 1949]

After extensive investigations, i have been informed that there was a water bomb party at the new cocktail bar owned by Metin ,things got out of hand as far as i can find out no EXPATS!!! or eggs were involved , as it has been stated before  this bar is mainly used by young turkish lads,i think this finger pointing has gone far enough and this topic should be closed  Calvin

[kayakebab]

I'm so shocked reading this thread and the whole my dads taller than your dad mentality.... The UK has very little going in its favour at the moment but at least we've all get better things to do with our lives than join forums to discuss who's town or village is the best....and tittle tattle about progress

Why are you all vain enough to think this 'progress', 'westernisation', 'modernisation' whatever is being done to 'spite' you. Maybe the Turks want it this way, and you're the 'guests', so live with it, or come back to the UK, no - actually dont.....

I know there little in the way of employment, but havent you got better things to do in your new found Turkish lifestyles??

I would kill to be living there and would be doing a multitude of useful things with my life to give something back to such a fabulous country

so sad

If I had any egg bombs I know where I would throw them.... !!!! hehe

[Scunner]

Geordieboy

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[Rindaloo]

Hey, we are ALL individuals.  We all have different opinions about this village.  We live here, we have a right to have opinions.  I pesonally think the avertising is just the norm for Turkey in general.  I Like the place as it is. As and when changes happen I will have opinions.  And I would hate it if too many Brits moved here and took over the place.  This was originally a small Turkish community and I am well aware of the positive AND negative impact we ex pats are having on this community.  If too many come it will not be for the good of the original residents (and by that I mean Turkish residents).

My Turkish neighbours have likes and dislikes about this place too.  And I am sure they wouldn't all agree with each other.  Turks are individuals too

As I have said before, I love the Turkishness here.  That's why I am living here and not in a more Brit populated area.  Seems to me that an awful lot of people who don't live in this village are not only chipping in to critisise anything any of the residents say, they are also lumping us all together as if we all agree with each other.  Basically we can't win.  You have no idea how many of us do charity work for the good of the community.  You don't know us at all.  You make assumptions.  You read some negative views and suddenly you assume we all think the same.

Kayakebab, one thing I would add is that you have bothered to read this thread and chip in.  You say you would kill to live here.  We broke our necks to live here.  If you took the leap and came here  I take it  you would not have any opinions about the place.  You would accept everything and just live doing good and when change happened you would shrug and say you have no rights to any opinions?  Think about it.

And if you think all we do is sit on here and argue all the time, LOL!  You have that totally wrong.   We thoroughly enjoy the area, the people, our friends (be they British, German or Turkish), our garden, hobbies (and the computer   ).  Not all of us are negative minded.  Not all of us want to change Turkey to suit us.  But as and when things happen, we have as much of a right to have an opinion as you do where you live.

[geordieboy]

Right,I'll try again,what exactly do the Foreign residents of Uzumlu want? On one hand they want to see the character of the village preserved,they've got thier little place in the sun,and they do'nt want any more buidings going up,one member puts forward the suggestion that people who own holiday homes should'nt have any say in the running of things.Sorry,it all sounds a bit selfish to me.
A suggestion was put forward in another thread on this forum that an ATM should be installed in the village,why?,I presume the majority of foreign residents drive into Fethiye for thier big shop,plenty of ATM's there.
I think the foreign residents should bear in mind that they,like myself,and countless other residents are guests in thier country.
Sorry,if I'me allowed to say so,its all starting to sound a bit Dad's Army'ish.

[peecee]

Well said Rindaloo, couldn't agree more:D
Geordieboy, I assume you mean me when you thought a post meant holiday villa owners shouldn't have a say.  That isn't what I meant at all.  The point I'm trying to get across is that some if not all of us wanted to move to a rural village to live a quieter life - no bars blaring out music until 3am, no hordes of tourists wandering through the souvenir shops etc.  Of course the home owners should have a say but if they bought homes here as an investment and as a potential money earner regarding rentals then perhaps a more lively location would have been appropriate.
All the local people and by that I mean the Turks not us, we are  expats and will always remain so, would know where to go to buy things.  Let's start asking some of them what they think of the advertising, cocktail bars etc.  I have no problem with the new takeaways and hope they thrive because it is nice to have a choice but let's be sensible about this.  This is a rural, farming village which is pretty and, so far, unspoilt.  Do we OR the local population want to turn in into Hisaranou, Olu Deniz, Calis or anywhere commercial??[?]

[kayakebab]

I have half made the leap, unfortunately has all gone horribly wrong...

I did look at Uzumlu, but would personally struggle to live in a nice villa surrounded by some very run down houses, let alone have a pool, but as people say its all about personal choice

the point is that the whole Fethiye area has good and bad points, like anywhere.

I live in Shoreham which is half way between Worthing and Brighton.

I grew up in Brighton and loved it, now I hate it, its changed out of all recognition, mainly because of the University, and a growing population of people from outside the area and its changed to meet what was assumed the new influx of people wanted
very few true Brightonians now live in Brighton because of this...... we've been 'edged' out because of change, we had no say in the changes, they just evolved. The people the changes were meant to serve love it.

But..... I certainly wouldnt waste my time on forums slagging off other parts of Sussex, and thats what I was referring to, yes I could have my opinions about changes in Brighton but I couldnt stop change just to suit me.

different things for different people, and sometimes if you dont like it then you have to move to somewhere that does suit.
If the Turkish people want to put up boards and spend time in cocktail bars then good luck to them.

[Rindaloo]

Kayakebab, I can only speak for me.  I love it here.  My Turkish neighbours all live in decent houses of varying styles and ages.   None of their houses are crumbling.  And one has a pool and objects to the water charges......

I am really sorry things have gone horribly wrong.  We (by fluke) got out just at the right time.  I hope that in the end things will work out for you.  

In the Fethiye area there are varying styles of location.  People can choose whatever they like.  The barflies can choose livelier areas to live.  We like this for its peace and nature.  This thread has been an interesting look at how people can be prejudiced and judgmental.  I am not referring to people living in Uzumlu.....