another abduction attempt

[Scunner]

replying to post from Twinpack which he later deleted

I'm using the website I set up, to ensure people are aware of the situation and being able to exchange information that might just save someone from a very harrowing attack. I am speaking with people in Calis and Turkey who are helping to highlight the events to people who can actually do something about it.

I doubt very much that you are doing the "same as me". My money is on the idea that you are sitting on your ar$e doing nothing except bleat that others are doing nothing. Do I win?

[Scunner]

replying to another post from Twinpack which he later deleted

Getting personal on here got me where I am today.

Stories in the News of the World and Sun are the last things we need but cheers anyway.

[amanda bullock]

replying to another post from Twinpack which he later deleted

can i just say Twinpack that i think that is a ridiculous thing to have done.I take it that you havn't got a property to rent out then?Think of all the owners and businesses that will lose income once this becomes headlines in the uk.The local people were trying to contain this horrendous situation locally, so that substantial damage was not felt in the tourist industry here!!

[Twin Bee]

I may be one of those contributors who sometimes write rubbish and sometimes write things that do not get majoity approval. However I hope in respect of this thread I have been reasonable, appropriate and considered.
I have argued that the people must stay focussed on blaming the perpretrators and not each other or blame the authorities. In my opinion sadly many people including on CBF now take on the victim role when they are not victims and act in angry and irrational way. By so doing they intefer in ways which they think are helpful but often they make matters worse. The victims are the people who are assualted or burguled and those closely associated with them such as their family or friends present at the time. If we have not had such an experience we have no right to speak for victims.
I have cited an example when contributors slag of the authorities for non-action. Also some postings wrongly give the impression that the place (Calis) is bad when the statistics paint a picture of it being safe most of the time for almost everyone who stays there or has an apartment there.  
It does not help to be so negative as it can make things worse. If you attack someone and tell them they are rubbish at what they are doing they don't hear your real concerns and they justify themselves as doing the right thing. All their energies go into defending their position and they loose focus on doing the right thing. Time to act gets taken up in argument and that does not help victims.
If we do not stay reasoned in expressing our legitimate concerns then we loose credibility. If we lose credibility nothing will get done or it will be done half heartedly.
No one else has the right to act as the victim other than those assaulted or burgurled and it does not help if they do.
What people should do is use their influence in a reasoned and mature way.  This is best done in a quiet diplomatic way rather in anger or using language common in pub discussions. This is because those who can make a difference (ie the Authorities in Turkey) respond better to reason and concern expressed in a way which encourages organizations to do more.  
In my opinion those who are assaulted or burgled must be supported to report these crimes to the police. This is the most important consideration because too many incidents have gone unreported thus distorting the extent of the problem.  Others i.e. people who care but are not victims can legitimately express a view that the reported increase in these crimes deters people from holidaying in Calis because that is a reasonable position to take.
CBF is not a forum where its members need to compete with each other for who has the morale high ground or who is shouting the loudest or whatever. This only distracts people from the issues of concern.
It best if we stay focussed and allow those like Keith and Tinks who are in a real position to effect positive change and others to express their disquiet in a calm and considered way.  It may take time to get some progress but lets be positive that progress can be made.  Postive thinking can be a great help in these situations.
These issues are too important for people to act out in ways which might do more harm than good.

[laffa]

Amanda, just read back on the posts and cant find what Twinpack has posted, unless its been removed.
also I hav'nt read any "common pub talk" on this thread either, what is coming out is peoples honest opinions, and more importantly peoples fears,we are all in the same position here,and the bottom line is, we are all together on this,

[tinkerman]

Thank you Twin Bee, a very good and positive post, you have put into words what I have been thinking for a while.

We are doing work in the background that nobody knows about and probably never will till the results come in, but if everybody keeps positive as you say it will happen, and if you cant be positive, keep quiet.

Tinx

[Scunner]

I guess Twinpack removed his critical posts?

[amanda bullock]

Yes he did!!

[laffa]

oh right ok,

[Anne]

So far I've kept quiet on these threads.
I can't add anything that hasn't already been stated but just wanted to thank Twin Bea for his positive post.  
We must all be united in our stand to keep Calis the place we all love.