Emptied Pool

[kenkay]

quote:Originally posted by Edina

Roy

All the owners do pay the maintenance fee in a lump sum.  Payment is made every January (as you have been made aware in the past).  It has always been done this way since we first bought the apartment 7 years ago.  We have never had any trouble with the pool or the gardens.  I understand the pool is half empty/full from what we have been told. This is the first time this has occurred.

It would be best if this could be resolved asap without involving other people.

About 3 years ago at the suggestion of the current maintenance person, we made independent enquiries about changing maintenance contracts and obtained quotes from other property/pool maintenance/garden companies. They were all more expensive than the current maintenance person plus extra charges were added on too.
Edina

Edina, thank you for attempting to come up with a proper answer to Roy's query. Whether a pool is left empty, half full, half empty or full is nothing to do with Roy's problem with the Turkish owners. The only solution may be through legal channels.

[Roy Salmon]

quote:Originally posted by kenkay

quote:Originally posted by Edina

Roy

All the owners do pay the maintenance fee in a lump sum.  Payment is made every January (as you have been made aware in the past).  It has always been done this way since we first bought the apartment 7 years ago.  We have never had any trouble with the pool or the gardens.  I understand the pool is half empty/full from what we have been told. This is the first time this has occurred.

It would be best if this could be resolved asap without involving other people.

About 3 years ago at the suggestion of the current maintenance person, we made independent enquiries about changing maintenance contracts and obtained quotes from other property/pool maintenance/garden companies. They were all more expensive than the current maintenance person plus extra charges were added on too.
Edina

Edina, thank you for attempting to come up with a proper answer to Roy's query. Whether a pool is left empty, half full, half empty or full is nothing to do with Roy's problem with the Turkish owners. The only solution may be through legal channels.

[Roy Salmon]

Thanks for your sound comments Kenkay the problem with Edina is she is unable to fully understand that in Turkey you NEED to have
a legal contract so that there can be no misunderstanding of what is expected by all parties. The other factor is that without audited
accounts showing that the costs of the maintenance is being shared equally. No more no less. Any other arrangement can only lead to
mistrust. Because something started without documentation dose mean that the owners have NO legal rights as seen by the current
situation. The deadlock is because the Builder has become intransigent and is NOT prepared to follow Condominium rules, not my
rules but Turkish law.

[Roy Salmon]

I am pleased to tell you all that the pool is being refilled to day after my kind tenant
intervened. The builder will still not give me his bank details or provide any news on
a legal contract! But at least the pool will be OK.

[mercury]

Condominum law only covers where apartments are 8 or above in number. A legal contract in Turkey in my experience is not worth the paper it is written on. Best to try and communicate with the other tennants in a calm manner. Very difficult I know. Sorry to hear about your problems.

[col]

In my experience I have to agree.
A few years ago we were going to set up our condo laws, not because of problems, but for future possible problems. We were going to use a well trusted company to help set up everything and of course pay for their services, but it was suggested to us, 'do we really want to'. The costs involved with setting it up, any future costs for taking an owner to court, translation of paperwork, court translations etc, the possible hassle of someone also having to go to court and the time involved etc, could far out weigh and monies we could be trying to get back.
We were also told (how right or wrong this is I'm not sure) that any monies we would try to get from an owner could be enforced only when the owner had sold up. So IF we were talking of maybe only a a few hundred pounds, was it really worth it.
We decided not to go ahead but we have an agreement with a few owners where they don't pay for full use of all facilities and are lucky enough that they keep to this and we do at least get some payment. It may mean that the remaining owners pay a little extra, but for now, it is working without the extra costs it could cost us had we set up the condo law and having to take an owner to court.

quote:Originally posted by mercury

Condominum law only covers where apartments are 8 or above in number. A legal contract in Turkey in my experience is not worth the paper it is written on. Best to try and communicate with the other tennants in a calm manner. Very difficult I know. Sorry to hear about your problems.

[Liz 101]

Col,

The issues you mention:

1) You can set up as a legally recognised site yourselves, yes there are initial costs, but for peace of mind, well worth it
2) If your site is "legal" you don't have to wait until a property is sold, you can take owners to court whenever the need arises
3) Provided the majority of owners have agreed & it's in your decsion book, any costs + interest charges can be levied against the defaulter & not paid by the remaining owners.
4) According to condiminium law no owner can duck payments by saying that they won't use a facility, if it's there they have to pay their fair share

Yes, we did have initial problems on our site & still have one fully paid up member of the awkward squad, but we take him to court on an annual basis & get his share too.