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« on: December 05, 2011, 16:43:28 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 17:45:15 PM »
Can you imagine the Unions response if this was sent from the Employer to the strikers! So it is ok for a Unison manager to bully and degrade people for their non strike action and for said manager to get away with it by Unison describing it as a individual choice. The fact the strike was not even voted on by over 50% of members makes this even more of a joke. I have always had a problem with Union representation, it should be free from politics and present their individual cases on it's merits free from any pre political co-agreement or financial backing. Most public sector Union members I have worked with do not realise that the majority of them fund the Labour party from their membership fees, their main concern is that they have some form of legal respresentation if needed in situations of redundancy or disciplinary action but have no proper alternative than GMB or Unison.  I am sure if there was a proper independant legal arbitration alternative the Unions membership will dissolve overnight.I ask one solution question, why do the Unions not hold a ballot of all their members for which political party they want their subscription contributions sent to also, as they bang on about their so called democracy all the time they can then share according to their actual membership wants! I hope this Unison Manager get's his come uppance as I see members who got this e mail letter are seeking legal action against him, what's that saying 'do as I say not as I do'
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 17:51:16 PM »
I don't think that anyone who has stood on a picket line is stranger to hostile thoughts about those colleagues who decide to walk through those lines. In the moment, thoughts of "scab", "blackleg", "freeloader" do go through your mind. It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth when you see people who will only accept votes when they go in their own favour flaunt their "choice" not to accept the result, and this has added piquancy when you know damn well that if your struggle, in which they won't take part, results in improved pay or conditions or pensions then these same people will be in the front of queue to pick up the benefits which they did nothing to achieve - indeed they probably got themselves in the mangers' good books by breaking the strike so they are also first in line for perks and promotions.

However, I have never seen, nor heard of, a Branch Secretary writing to these strike-breakers in this way before - and I have served as a Branch Secretary and met lots of them. I hope this is one of those occasions where group email "Send to All" button has been sent in the heat of the moment and without proper thought, and that it will be withdrawn with apology. If the Branch Secretary doesn't manage to work this out for himself, then his Regional Official needs to have a word with him.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 18:53:41 PM »
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Originally posted by corbindallas

Can you imagine the Unions response if this was sent from the Employer to the strikers! So it is ok for a Unison manager to bully and degrade people for their non strike action and for said manager to get away with it by Unison describing it as a individual choice. The fact the strike was not even voted on by over 50% of members makes this even more of a joke. I have always had a problem with Union representation, it should be free from politics and present their individual cases on it's merits free from any pre political co-agreement or financial backing. Most public sector Union members I have worked with do not realise that the majority of them fund the Labour party from their membership fees, their main concern is that they have some form of legal respresentation if needed in situations of redundancy or disciplinary action but have no proper alternative than GMB or Unison.  I am sure if there was a proper independant legal arbitration alternative the Unions membership will dissolve overnight.I ask one solution question, why do the Unions not hold a ballot of all their members for which political party they want their subscription contributions sent to also, as they bang on about their so called democracy all the time they can then share according to their actual membership wants! I hope this Unison Manager get's his come uppance as I see members who got this e mail letter are seeking legal action against him, what's that saying 'do as I say not as I do'

Just two points your political party donation through your union fees is not compulsory you can opt out and that portion will be donated to a organisation/charity of your choice, also if you ballet 100% of your membership and only X amount return/vote you as members should abide by that result, that unfortunatly is the way voting works in the UK, at the last GE in the UK only 65.1% of the eligible voters bothered to vote :o democracy [?] I wonder ;)

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 19:13:08 PM »
Steve, if I had my way I would make voting compulsary, but guess that in it's own right would not be democratic enough. Interesting point re the charity opt out, I and many others were not made aware of an opt out option on our application forms for both GMB or Unison, is it hidden somewhere on these forms or are you supposed to ask?

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 19:52:52 PM »
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Originally posted by corbindallas

Steve, if I had my way I would make voting compulsary, but guess that in it's own right would not be democratic enough. Interesting point re the charity opt out, I and many others were not made aware of an opt out option on our application forms for both GMB or Unison, is it hidden somewhere on these forms or are you supposed to ask?

Andrew, you can opt out at anytime if you contact your rep or write/email HQ they will offer that option, I agree with you that voting should be made compulsory :) in fact I do believe its a legal requirement in dear old Turkey  ;) the problem I have with the present situation on PS pensions is the extra 3%[?] is not going into paying the alleged short fall:-\ I also think that MPs are public servants but there pensions are still increased at RPI not CPI again ''do as your told not as we do'' When I worked in the public sector I had no choice but to join the pension scheme in place it was compulsory. My particular scheme was index linked to inflation (RPI)on retirement, I also paid 11% of 35k  my pay, into the pot for three and a half years with no additional benefit I had reached the maximum pension after 26 and a half years, on the present dispute I am fully behind the PS strikers. ;)

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 09:19:14 AM »
There is a legal requirement for a vote to be held for the establishment/continuation of a Political Fund in a trade union, it is held every ten years.  The establishment of a political fund enables trade unions to campaign in the political arena - not the necessarily the party political arena - on matters that impact upon their members.

Without this positive vote trade unions are unable to campaign on matters deemed as 'political', even though they impact directly and indirectly on collective bargaining or individual workers rights.  Examples of matters that are deemed as political have included subjects such as privatisation, health and safety, employment legislation and even pensions.  

A political fund or political campaigning by trades unions does not mean affiliation by a trade union to the Labour party.  Indeed many of the trades unions who took part in last weeks Pensions strike are not affiliated, including FDA, ATL, and Head Teachers association!  And anyway it is not compulsory for individuals to pay the political levy, and it is very easy to opt out.

This change was introduced in the 1980s by the Thatcher Government in the name of individual freedom and accountability, yer right, more about weakening the trades unions!  If it was about individual freedom and accountability then why did they, or indeed subsequent government, not introduce legislation to demand that companies setup a political fund, and a regular individual shareholder vote for when they campaign in the political arena, or indeed make large political donations to political parties, usually the Tory Party!!

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 09:39:44 AM »
Well said UBT - in my experience too many people are happy to accept all the benefits the unions have won over the years like it is their right - equal pay, pensions, overtime pay, flexible working hours, improved working conditions, minimum wages, health and safety legislation. I have lost count of the people I know that joined the union when they needed something and some who even left again when they got what they wanted.

Anyone who thinks that the benefits they enjoy at work these days was handed to them by magnanimous employers are living in dream cuckoo land. These were hard fought for and thousands of union workers and members both paid and unpaid have dedicated their lives to ensuring a fairer deal in the workplace.

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 10:09:23 AM »
I reserve my basic human right not to strike or take any other form of action in pursuit of better conditions, wages and or other benefits but I insist on receiving any improvement in condition, wages and other benefits. I am a scoundrel.

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »
Of course if non union workers didn't receive the benefits won by union members, union membership would stand at a unanimous 100%.




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