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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2012, 10:36:18 AM »
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Better the central belt than London !!!!

Only if you live in the Central Belt:(.

There are plenty other areas in this country that need money spent on them more than the Glasgow and Edinburgh.

And, if our history on Public Expenditure, eg The New Parliament, (budget £50m actual cost £ 450m+), then God help us.



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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2012, 10:54:52 AM »
And what an attractive building it is too.

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2012, 11:35:00 AM »
Unless we do something about establishing an English Parliament (part of our democratic deficit) then full independence for Scotland - no half way houses please - will be the only way we will solve the West Lothian question.  Not too much of an issue at the moment, with a Tory government in place.  However, when we had the last Labour Government in place we had Scottish MPs voting though Education and Health legislation that impacted only on England, that they would never in a million years have supported if it was going to apply to their own Scottish constituencies. It was like the reverse of the Poll Tax being forced upon the Scots by Thatcher

As to Independence,if that's what the Scots want, well that should be their choice.  I just worry that if we are left with an English Parliament (including Wales??) under the present FPTP electoral system, that we would be stuck with a Tory Government in perpetuity, with no commitment to change to a fairer electoral system that could keep them out of government.

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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2012, 11:39:09 AM »
will it meana visa,and residences[o not again]

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2012, 11:56:40 AM »
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I just worry that if we are left with an English Parliament (including Wales??) under the present FPTP electoral system, that we would be stuck with a Tory Government in perpetuity, with no commitment to change to a fairer electoral system that could keep them out of government.




Good point.

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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2012, 12:03:09 PM »
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And what an attractive building it is too.



Multi award winning - unbelievable:(

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 12:04:56 PM »
It's the way it is so in keeping with it's surroundings. The bamboo especially.

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 12:55:48 PM »
The building of the parliament was a national scandal which we should be ashamed of.

Image yourself deciding to build a house with a budget of say £ 200k.

With costs spiraling out of control at what point would you have called a halt to the project ?

When the costs were £ 600k, £1.20m or would you have handed over the £ 1.80m at the end.

Well you might have, if it wasn't your money.

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2012, 22:44:38 PM »
I would like to see Scotland go indepenent.  The resulting chaos might give the loonies we have in Wales something to think about; although , most of them are high on dogma and low on thought.

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2012, 18:25:55 PM »
I am  man who considers himself British (grandmother from Belfast married an Anglo Scot, a surname that cleary marks me with Welsh connections, but considered to be English on Grandmothers side) so I would submit that I am not particualrly partisan in this matter, although I would declare an interest that I would hate to see the break up of the Union having spent 24 years protecting it.

To go or not to go, its all about money, apparently Scotland represents 9% of the union, therefore 9% of the National debt would be inherited (Ive no idea how much - any one want to let me know), Mr Salmond has stated he wants 9% of the Army/Navy/Airforce, which comes with 9% of the cost (again anyone know the defence budget?).  
Scotland has no Diplomatic service (although some career diplomats will transfer (the quality of which MAY be subject to scrutiny)).  There would be a need to have an Embassy or some such like in every country in the world, each with its own staff (cost - approx 9% of the UKs budget?), Currency would be - well the Scottish pound, no issues there but the 'markets' as we all know do not have any sympathy for currencies, they look at the hard facts and would let the Scots £ float to its real level, up or down, but would Mr Salmond let the Eng £ be legal tender in Scotland and vicerversa - I think not?

Finally there are several national civil service HQ's located in Scotland (student loans and others I believe), they would have to move south over the border - and the jobs with them! How much money does Fass Lane put into the economy.  All gone!.  

Its all about money, and I'm sorry but as I understand it Scotland doesnt have enough to support all of this, yes I know the North sea has untold riches - well not really, A. its nearly all gone now, and B. most of the 'assets' would fall on the  wrong side of the line of the new border (international law dictates that the new sea border follows the line of the land based border - check and you'll see the new border would run parallel with the Dundee/Aberdeen coast line).  A lot of sea to the right of the new border.

I stand braced for both barrels of dogs abuse, but please remember dont shoot the messenger.

But do remeber this:  If you can read this, thank your teachers. If you are reading it in English, then thank your soldiers.  (Another killed recently whilst trying to rescue a wounded Afghan civillian, we are not worthy of having them serve us - but hey thats another thread.)

Both barrels please.




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