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Chinook · « **Reply #260 on:** January 24, 2012, 19:06:44 PM »

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Sus - Sorry you are wrong that the NIC has nothing to do with the NHS.

The main areas funded by the National Insurance contributions are the NHS, unemployment benefit,sickness and disability and the state pension

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/BeginnersGuideToTax/NationalInsurance/IntroductiontoNationalInsurance/DG_190052

Suggest you read this link when you will find that paying NIC builds up your entitlement to certain state benefits none of which have anything to do with the NHS. NHS is a free at point of source funded by general taxation. NIC has no more to do with the specific funding of the NHS than car tax or VAT.This is why for example a Turkish person, amongst others, who is given the right to live in the UK is entitled to use the NHS for free without making any payments

Chinook · « **Reply #261 on:** January 24, 2012, 19:30:25 PM »

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Ovacikpeedoff - Chinook so you want the british government to create an agreement that is totally different to any other agreement that the UK has in place at the moment.

The UK does have healthcare agreements with other countries admittedley many relate to short term visitors eg people who stay for no more than 6 months in any year; but is there any reason why they could not negotiate to get the same rights in Turkey as Turkish people with valid residency have in the UK. There would be no cost burden on the UK in the same way that the UK government does not seek reimbursement from Turkey for the free treatment provided to their citizens residing in the UK

Highlander · « **Reply #262 on:** January 24, 2012, 19:45:45 PM »

Chinook - a favour please - can you leave the person's name in you are quoting. Thanks

Chinook · « **Reply #263 on:** January 24, 2012, 19:55:17 PM »

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Highlander - Chinook - a favour please - can you leave the person's name in you are quoting. Thanks

Thanks for the reminder Highlander

Sus · « **Reply #264 on:** January 24, 2012, 19:57:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Chinook

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Sus - Sorry you are wrong that the NIC has nothing to do with the NHS.

The main areas funded by the National Insurance contributions are the NHS, unemployment benefit,sickness and disability and the state pension

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/BeginnersGuideToTax/NationalInsurance/IntroductiontoNationalInsurance/DG_190052

Suggest you read this link when you will find that paying NIC builds up your entitlement to certain state benefits none of which have anything to do with the NHS. NHS is a free at point of source funded by general taxation. NIC has no more to do with the specific funding of the NHS than car tax or VAT.This is why for example a Turkish person, amongst others, who is given the right to live in the UK is entitled to use the NHS for free without making any payments

Suggest you read this link as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England)

The NHS is largely funded from general taxation (including a proportion from National Insurance payments).[

Chinook · « **Reply #265 on:** January 24, 2012, 20:14:22 PM »

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The NHS is largely funded from general taxation

Sus thats what I specifically said. Your previous post gave the impression that it was specifically funded from NIC and therefore a benefit derived through that action.The money just comes from a big pot; and always remember that a Wikipedia entry is subjectively written by an individual which is why I would always quote by choice from official publications.

Highlander · « **Reply #266 on:** January 24, 2012, 20:15:26 PM »

Surely it doesn't matter a fig where the money comes from, NI Contributions and/or General Taxation. The point is if you are contributing you are entitled to benefits. If you stop contributing you are not entitled to benefits.

Chinook · « **Reply #267 on:** January 24, 2012, 20:23:45 PM »

Agree Highlander which is why I said that the money came from a big pot. My point was/is that paying NIC either currently or in the past does not entitle people to treatment under the NHS. The treatment benefit is provided free of cost to those that qualify.Many people from their posts appear to be under the misapprehension that it does.

Ovacikpeedoff · « **Reply #268 on:** January 24, 2012, 20:55:13 PM »

Foreign citizens legally residing in the UK are entitled to NHS care. If it was any other way test cases would be brought and the government would be forced to concede as it is an infringement of human rights.

Secondly, reciprocal agreements do not work on the basis of no fees charged at national level. All treatments are invoiced at government level and as I stated earlier the UK has paid over nearly 2 billion for the past 3 years.

Thirdly, reciprocal agreements do not guarantee free medical care. What they guarantee is that you would be entitled to the same treatment as a local at the same cost that the local pays.Agreements are designed for short trips such as holidays and business. If you decide to reside in a country then the agreement does not apply. The EU health card will get you up to 3 months care and no more within the EU.

We see the sensational headlines when the odd foreigner claims but many foreigners are employed in the UK paying tax and NI and contributing to the growth of the economy and that entitles them to access the NHS. On the other hand we have expats living in Turkey that are contributing to the growth not of the UK economy but to the growth of the Turkish economy and expect the UK taxpayer to subsidize them.

farmer · « **Reply #269 on:** January 24, 2012, 21:36:05 PM »

In reply to Highlander, can he tell me why I am not entitled to healthcare in the UK even though I am still paying income tax in the UK.
That means I am contributing, doesn't it?

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