Another sad case

[Scunner]

Sadly with the Daily Mail you get idiotic racist and anti-Turkish reader comments for anything relating to Turkey. It doesn't have to be a murder, a holiday review is enough to kick the DM bigots off. 

[JacM]

I voted yes because I generally feel that Fethiye is a safe place for women travelers; however that doesn't mean that lone women or any other travellers should not follow the general rules of personal safety that they would at home or anywhere else.
What happened to this young woman was wrong regardless of location or cultural attitudes and we shouldn't forget that

[cef]

the warning from her dad should apply to all lone women thinking of going to Turkey by themselves

The warning from her dad is that no woman should travel to Turkey alone. Are you seriously saying that is good advice?

Yes keith I am saying that, for a variety of reasons!  Western women are just not (in the majority of cases) prepared or equipped for the difference in 'cultural values' that is real life in Turkey................

Hi Liz, I couldn't help but see the funny side of what you wrote about 'my trials' in Turkey, especially the bit that said something like; 'you weren't aware I'd suffered any other problems'.  I really felt like winding you up at bit about that one but, this IS a serious subject that effects thousands of women in Turkey everyday.  Just to put your mind at rest, I've only suffered; financially, emotionally, psychologically & mentally, I've been well & truly Shafted, but 'fortunately' for me, not in the way you may have feared. 

I did say in my post 'for a variety of reasons'  One of those reasons was that I only found out after the event & after I signed the contract that Mustafa Ergur, laid his grubby hands on my (then) 15 year old son, slammed him up against the wall!!! because he thought my son was after his old bag Suzan Jeffery!!!  Did my (then) very good friends [names removed by admin] tell me about this........ NO, they all coerced to keep this from me until they had my money......... 

I have been threatned several times in Turkey, it was made Very clear to me that 'certain people' carry guns, that I should be Very careful when out & about as many accidents happen.  I never went anywhere without a pepper spray in my pocket, ready to use......... & I was always Very alert & careful about where I went & with whom, all very stressful & tiring..............

I am Not saying that all men there are pigs to women but there sure are a hell of a lot of them!

This poor girl is Not an isolated case by any stretch of the imagination "Irish women murdered" last year up the coast a bit - "American woman murdered" in Istanbul, just a couple of examples that immediately spring to mind.

Here's a couple of links that outline Turkey's appalling record on the abuse of women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/world/europe/women-see-worrisome-shift-in-turkey.html?_r=0

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,45a5fb512,45a5fb6e2,4feae0352,0,,,.html
 
All women are perceived in very different ways by 'Eastern' countries, amongst them is Turkey.  The 'facade' of europeanism is just that, it changes not what they are taught by their Imman's & families, or how/what they really think about the way 'we' live.  The tourist hotspots cater for their european guests, the majority of these workers migrate for 'the season' from Very traditional, conservative parts of Turkey, here they see for the first time sights (scantily dressed women ie: in bikini's swimsuits & sun-dresses', all totally against what they have always been taught as, right, moral etc, etc.  I imagine their 'opinion' of western women is fairly cemented from the start.

Turkey has an appalling record of violence against women, one in 3 women suffer 'domestic' abuse in many forms

[Scunner]

Carolyne

Only you could take a topic about a murdered woman and manage to turn it around to being all about you (again).

Whatever happened between you and your "then friends" has no relevance to the topic in hand (it is about the safety of women in Turkey). Not surprisingly, your "then friends" tell a vastly different story to yours and rather than manipulate topics to attack people who have no relevance to the subject, can I please suggest you contact them directly to discuss any issues you have with them.

If we can return to the original topic that would be great folks. If not we will have to close the discussion which would be fairly irritating.

[pookie]

I've travelled on my own and will do so many times in the future.  Its safer than a lot of other places I've been !  But then again, I ain't young and attracting unwanted male attention too often these days, its also apparently clear that I can throw a mean punch if you upset me      

Would I advise my beautiful 19 year old daughter to go there on her own ?  Yes, she is street wise and knows the pitfalls, and I'd be more happy with her clubbing/shopping/eating out in Fethiye than I would be London....

[Diverbaz 1]

But all this is not really about safe travelling, this was brought up because a young girl died in Turkey. Turkey is probably as safe as any country for travelling in.
This is about a poor girl, in, by all accounts a bad relationship, who died, nothing evident about the cause, so an open verdict was recorded. Can we not let the poor girl rest in peace.

[angela]

absolutely, she wasn't travelling around, she was in a bad relationship, with a bully, and you only have to listen to the news or read the papers on a daily basis in the UK to know that location is irrelevant.  There are more than enough females who have the same problem and the nationality of the man is equally irrelevant.

[Scunner]

Thinking about what Baz has written I think he has a point - maybe we should close this topic and if a safety in Turkey topic is required, maybe someone could start one.

If there are no objections in the next couple of hours, that's what I will do out of respect for the lady.

[sunnyd]

Agreed.

[Shamless2]

I agree!