Thanks for these replies, very helpful. So, I can buy an old banger for about 18000tl, or a brand now car for around double that, give or take. It's a no brainer really, I shall try and get myself around the dealerships in the next few days. When I go into the dealership is the price the price, or do I need my bartering head on ? (I hate bartering, I would much rather be told a price and that's it!)