Review of Calis I don't understand??????

[desmartinson]

Bloody Tourists, Bah Humbug.      Ooops just forgot, got my Daughter and Grandchildren coming out next week, Will they be classed as tourists?        

[Menthol]

Menthol forgive me - but surely tourism adds to the local economy and helps to raise the living standards of the local people in your town

I forgive you, H.

[Old Nick]

This thread was originally about a review of Calis, which some thought put Calis in a bad light and others seemed to think that it was fairly accurate IMO.  From my viewpoint, I concluded that some of the posts were from those who visit during the cooler periods, early and late season, when it is quieter who seemed to disagree with the review and those who visited during the high season, who on the whole concurred with the blog.

It now seems to have degrenerated into an ex-pat -v- tourist spat.  What has always mystified me is the attitude of SOME expats towards "tourists", (or people on their annual holidays).  I have witnessed them being spoken about as if they are second class citizens, because they choose to use Calis/Fethiye as their preferred place for a vacation.  I would ask how 99% of expats first came across Calis and fell in love with it?  Surely they were the tourists they now berate for taking over "their" town.  I wonder if anyone has thought to ask the indigenous popultion of the area what they think about foreigners moving into their country and changing it out of all recognition.

[Scunner]

A lot of what you say is right Old Nick, but it isn't a Calis thing. It isn't even a British thing. I have experienced the air of superiority of expats in Portugal, Spain and even Dubai. It is a strange state of affairs for sure, when people living abroad think they know more, should get things quicker, bigger or cheaper than those just visiting.

But not a Calis thing  

[davybill]

I suppose its the way some tourists act,as got something to do,with what expats think of them,
And vice/versa,

[desmartinson]

This thread was originally about a review of Calis, which some thought put Calis in a bad light and others seemed to think that it was fairly accurate IMO.  From my viewpoint, I concluded that some of the posts were from those who visit during the cooler periods, early and late season, when it is quieter who seemed to disagree with the review and those who visited during the high season, who on the whole concurred with the blog.

It now seems to have degrenerated into an ex-pat -v- tourist spat.  What has always mystified me is the attitude of SOME expats towards "tourists", (or people on their annual holidays).  I have witnessed them being spoken about as if they are second class citizens, because they choose to use Calis/Fethiye as their preferred place for a vacation.  I would ask how 99% of expats first came across Calis and fell in love with it?  Surely they were the tourists they now berate for taking over "their" town.  I wonder if anyone has thought to ask the indigenous popultion of the area what they think about foreigners moving into their country and changing it out of all recognition.

The definition of Indigenous Nick is (born in or of a natural country. so I assume you mean all Turks, im sure a lot of them would be grateful to have some people who have chose to live here or wherever else in turkey to frequent their restaurants, bars , cafes, etc in the winter months, Fethiye is a working town and most establishments are open all year round and as not many tourists here in the winter months they are happy to make a  bit of income from these free spending ex pats.   cant follow your point of it being changed out of all recognition though.  

[Old Nick]

Des, I did refer to the indigenous population of the area, hence I was referring to the Calis/Fethiye Turkish community.  My reference to the area changing out of all recognition was a reflection on the photographs which have previously been posted on this forum of the area from the past, I am sure there must be many of our Turkish neighbours who look back with nostalgia to times prior to the area becoming a tourist resort and where Turkish was the only language spoken.  Just as SOME expats seem, in Scunner's words, "to have an air of superiority", have these expats, who berate "tourists" ever stopped to think of the effect on our Turkish friends of their presence in Calis/Fethiye.  Just an observation, not a critisim and certainly not aimed at ALL expats.

And yes Scunner, I do know that this attitude is not confined to Calis only, but as the post was about a review of Calis and it is on a Calis Beach Forum, my remarks are made only regarding Calis.   

[Colwyn]

Many years ago there was photograph on here of Calis pre-tourism when there was a narrow spit of land on the coast behind which was a large expanse of water. Along the spit ran a rail line to the far end where the canal meets the bay where there was a small quay for loading coal (I think). That was when Calis Plaji really was a work beach. Has anyone got a copy?

On the question of the indigenous population of the area, I wonder how many of the residents Turks were born and bred in the area. Many seem to have come from eastern Turkey or other parts of the country. One I know, when I commented on the friendliness and hospitality of Turkish people, replied "Not in Fethiye. They don't know hospitality here. Not hospitality like we know in the east." I wonder these "incomers" go down with locals, let alone Brit expats.

[Rimms]

I must have missed the bit where ex-pats have 'berated' tourists in this thread, in fact I also must have missed the times where ex-pats berate tourists in general. It's not a conversation I can honestly say that I've ever been involved in with other ex-pats here.

[Scunner]

I think you move in different circles George