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Re: Election and After
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2015, 16:07:47 PM »
Turkish election results on a map with search facility.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/election/default.html



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Re: Election and After
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2015, 16:24:12 PM »
The achievements of the HDP in this election are impressive. Has the charismatic Demirtas achieve the dream of the radical-liberal left of building a "Rainbow Coalition" that many thought was was mere wishful thinking?
I think the HDP has run a fantastic campaign, but it was 'easier' to do when building the party base on a largely anti AKP, or a more specifically anti Reg, basis.  Going forward it will have to face more complex issues, not least of which will be holding together a broader coalition on the 'Kurdish' issue itself, and I am not saying here those HDP voters who are Turk, but can it hold together its Kurdish vote too?  Perhaps the key policy to pursue in this Parliament, might be the reduction of the party representation in parliament threshold to say the more normal 5%.  Self serving yes, but smart politics too.

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Re: Election and After
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Re: Election and After
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2015, 06:47:45 AM »
Quite an Enthralling election I have to admit, not as exciting as last months UK one though, when the Tories smashed the labour party into oblivion, im still celebrating now.  ;) :D :D

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2015, 17:49:24 PM »
Mix RTE's ottoman aspirations with the MHP's extreme right wing stance (grey wolves never change their spots  ;) ) and Turkey is in for a right rough ride, socially, economically and politically for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2015, 21:27:02 PM »
Quite an Enthralling election I have to admit, not as exciting as last months UK one though, when the Tories smashed the labour party into oblivion, im still celebrating now.   ;) :D :D
Sorry to p!ss in yer chips Des, but the Tories did not, by any rational analysis smash the Labour Party into oblivion.  Perhaps if any party did the real damage to Labour it was the SNP in overall UK result terms.  South of the border it was UKIP that largely brought about Labour's defeat.  If you check out the seats that Labour should have won or retained - generally outside of London - you will see that the UKIP (and occasionally the Greens) vote prevented a Labour victory, largely because their vote was made up of disaffected Labour voters, either protest voting or a genuine feeling that Labour had deserted them.  Nothing to do with Labour losing the aspirational centre, as the Blairites argue, but everything to do with the Labour Leadership ignoring, or rather not listening to its traditional core working class supporters.

By way of a further explanation of what actually happened in voting terms the much expected mass desertion of Tory voters in a move to UKIP did not happen.  And certainly did not happen in the same numbers as it did with Labour.  Analysis from Universities of Nottingham/Manchester/Sterling estimate that the move to vote UKIP was made by well over double the number of previous Labour voters as Tory voters.  Tory voters have traditionally been more disciplined in their voting, and rarely, and only on a tactical basis do they stop voting Tory.  Which is almost unique for any centre right party in the world, and the reason why the Tories have been so successful over the years.  The centre right vote remaining concentrated on one single party. Labour voters on the other hand will often not 'come out' and in some cases will vote for supposed alternatives, like UKIP or the SNP, but perhaps most starkly the Labour traitors of the SDP and then the Alliance, which was responsible for splitting the anti Tory vote in 1983 and 87 General Election and keeping Thatcher in power.

We could also factor in the First Past the Post electoral system, which has always favoured the Tories - for a number of reasons - but that's probably a discussion for another day. 

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2015, 22:05:10 PM »
I think Des was trying a blatant attempt to move this off topic. He failed, right up till you bit UBT...

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2015, 05:38:48 AM »
You are too smart for me Keith, but I,ll  always get one, although I didn't expect it to be UBT.   ;)  :)

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2015, 07:45:45 AM »
Haha I admire your honesty Des  :)




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