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Offline Dutchie

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2015, 21:59:49 PM »


I said some time ago that recent events in Turkey are becoming increasingly like those in pre war Germany, and it pains me to be proved correct. 

In a way you're right but the major difference is that the Jews in pre war Germany had not been killing and bombing thousands of Germans for many years.



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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2015, 22:20:25 PM »

It maybe exagerated in Fethiye, but not in places like Alanya.





a movement such as the IRA or ETA

Well actually there is - it's called the PKK and has been around since 1984.

JF

Yes, but not like the IRA who operated all over the U.K.  with bombs etc., I have not heard of the PPK bombing the local tourists resorts.  I assumed they were mainly around the Turkish Border. I must read more about this subject

I think you should.  There were PKK attacks in Marmaris and Antalya not that many years ago, and numerous in Istanbul and Ankara - all in addition to activity in the east and south east of the country.  To be frank, they make the IRA look like amateurs.

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Most PKK attacks in resorts have been covered up by the local authorities. Either a gas bottle exploded, a garbage truck had a flat tire, somebody accidently threw a lighter refill cannister in the trash that exploded in the heat, an aircon malfunctioned, etc etc.

I'm talking about the 90's when Turkish government was trying their hardest to increase tourism. Everything was done to attrack more tourists.
At the time you couldn't find a single garbage bin in any of the resorts because PKK used them to hide their bombs.

Hundreds of undercover police were roaming the streets in the resorts trying to prevent trouble.

I agree that PKK makes the IRA look like amateurs.
Kurdish language wasn't allowed to be spoken in the schools (that has only changed relatively recently). Everything was done in Turkish and as a revenge the PKK has killed hundreds of teachers.

Most of them young teachers, newly graduated. Since nobody wants to teach in the east, every new teacher (and doctor as well) has to work in a place that the government assigns you for two years. After those two years they're free to go and apply anywhere they want. But without having worked these obligatory two years, no doctor and teacher is able to work anywhere else.

Hundreds of teachers got killed because they were forced by the government to teach in the east. Teachers were scared to go there but they didn't really have a choice.

At least 40.000 people got killed by the PKK. I remember very clearly how aware I was of PKK and possible problems when I first came to this country. It was like looking over your shoulder all the time to make sure that everything was fine.

With time passing, you tend to forget but that is easy for me. I never lost a family member, friend or neighbour whereas most Turkish people did.

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2015, 22:30:41 PM »

  Dutchie
  What are your views on the peace process.? I'm an outsider but to me it seemed so close to becoming
a permanent deal and then after the elections it was scrapped.


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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2015, 22:40:40 PM »
There was a bomb blast in the 90's in a bin in Fethiye harbour that injured many people.

Yes, a cease fire had been in place since 2013 but someone was sulking about losing votes to the Kurdish party and decided to stir things up.
Strangely it's thought to be too dangerous now for some South Eastern towns to have polling stations in November.
How convenient.

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2015, 22:41:41 PM »
My view...

Exactly as written in the post above.

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2015, 22:47:58 PM »
I'm probably the wrong person to ask because I am extremely sceptical about the recent events.

- 400 kg of explosives have been hidden in a road without anybody noticing anything
- For RTE to get enough votes to change the constitution, HDP should not pass the 10 precent treshold so anti Kurdish sentiments are of good use.

I don't want to point a finger but somebody is bound to benefit from it.


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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2015, 07:28:39 AM »
I'm surprised at the comments above saying that Yabangees are tolerated.
I often remark how the UK would have reacted to an influx of thousands of different nationalities moving into their area building humongous villas with pools next to their modest homes.
I've never witnessed anything remotely rascist or an air of tolerance towards me, would be interested in other peoples views.
A new thread maybe?
I've had the occasions where the shop owners don't know the prices of their items and phone a friend to come to the shop as there's a Yabancı there.
I wouldn't call it intolerant, more opportunist and I always say Yabancı değilım and walk out at that point.

As for 'Fethiyans' not speaking proper Turkish...it's a dialect!!
In the same way as I struggle to understand Newcastleans I've found you have to tune in to it and relearn words such as dakika which is spoken as dakka here.
I wouldn't say they can't speak properTurkish anymore than I would say anyone outside of Surrey can't speak English.
 

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2015, 08:52:28 AM »
I wouldn't say they can't speak properTurkish anymore than I would say anyone outside of Surrey can't speak English.
You shouldn't of said that, KK.

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2015, 09:02:05 AM »
It's amazing how many people have awful grammar - Facebook has exposed them for things like not being able to use your & you're correctly. Lucky we have a few who can use English correctly - Dutchie for one :D

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Re: Are these our neighbours and friends?
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2015, 09:41:04 AM »
Innit tho'




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