Europe

[Scunner]

Shake it all about

[faymoore]

I used to be indecisive...now I'm not so sure!

On a serious note...after much deliberation my vote will be to leave Europe.

(It's a huge decision to make (in my opinion) but I am hopeful that will be best for our children / grandchildren.

Dave

[nichola]

I was undecided. Now I'm not.

[mary62]

I may be wrong here, but if we opt out of Europe do we not lose our right to use the European Court of Human Rights? If so God help anyone who has suffered any a mis-carriage of justice. Also, just a thought, but if we opt out the Govt will be able to do what they want about cutting benefits because the U.K. will not have to take notice of any European guidelines.

[JohnF]

I was undecided. Now I'm not.

I used to live in the UK.  Now I dont.

 

I may be wrong here, but if we opt out of Europe do we not lose our right to use the European Court of Human Rights?

No.  Two different "bodies".  To access the ECHR you need to a member state of the Council of Europe - membership of which is not dependent upon membership of the EU.

JF
 

[mary62]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, but I still voting to stay in.

[Stuart T]

European Court of Human Rights: in my mind it seems to smack of votes for prisoners; for rapists and robbers allowed to stay in this country to be close to their family etc. - however, it's only what I've read.

Much like straight cucumbers and other nonsense, I'm not sure what, if any, daft decisions have been made on Britain's behalf "over there".

I'm also not wholly sure that Brexit necessarily means no further influence from the ECHR. I think we'll still have access to it.

More enlightened chaps and ladies please advise.....

(I have a long - standing Belgian friend who asked me why we (British) refer to Europe as "somewhere else" and as "somewhere not very nice" .

He seems awfully keen for us to become even closer.

[nichola]

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is not part of the European Union (EU) although membership of it is a precondition to joining the EU.

[thinwhiteduke]

Love Europe but hate the EU! Guess what I'm out   

[Scunner]

I love Europe, it's the unaccountability of the EU I can't abide. If we don't agree we can't vote them all out. Staying in but in a much revamped EU sounds great but simply isn't going to happen.

Some of the social legislation is beneficial but couldn't we just adopt that anyway as a standalone democracy? If the tories won't do that at least we have the chance to vote them out.

From uncharacteristically undecided to OUT. We're strong enough to run our own business affairs - it's just been so long since we did, we can't remember.


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