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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #200 on: November 18, 2016, 10:14:11 AM »
I challenge Brexiters to download and read the free sample of this book (Kindle app on ereader/phone/tablet)

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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #201 on: November 18, 2016, 10:43:46 AM »
Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense     :)
So, if you don't like the outcome of a vote you just ask for another one? Can everybody do that or just you? [Not that I want another referendum, of course. Once was bad enough.]

No - it's not another vote it's an appeal. Everyone has the right to appeal if they believe a judgment is incorrect. It's in our constitution I believe.

However - first it goes to the higher court and that court decides whether an appeal is acceptable. It did and they have.


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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #202 on: November 18, 2016, 10:48:02 AM »
Stoop, you could just:


 "Accept the judgement and move on"



Remember, Parliamentary Sovereignty means PARLIAMENTARY SOVEREIGNTY.

But (and correct me if I'm wrong here) it's the government who are appealing isn't it?

They are not asking for another vote they are asking 11 judges to consider their appeal.

I'm not sure me accepting it will have much influence.

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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2016, 10:51:12 AM »
"What part of parliamentary process don't you understand?"
Would be an appropriate question to Farage, as Nichola alluded to above.

Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense    :)

Disgraceful statement.  The three judges did their job correctly - it's hardly their fault that government failed to put forward sufficient evidence to refute Gina Miller et al's case.

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Tough. I have a right to an opinion and I think those judges got it wrong. Hopefully the next set will see sense and let the government get on with triggering article 50. Then they can start to negotiate our exit from the EU.

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« Reply #204 on: November 18, 2016, 11:31:34 AM »
I have a right to an opinion and I think those judges got it wrong. Hopefully the next set will see sense and let the government get on with triggering article 50. Then they can start to negotiate our exit from the EU.

The crucial part of the judgement says: "The most fundamental rule of the UK's constitution is that Parliament is sovereign and can make and unmake any law it chooses...

...the Crown - i.e. the Government of the day - cannot by exercise of prerogative powers override legislation enacted by Parliament"

I'd be interested to know why you think the judges "got it wrong". I'd be delighted if you could inform us (and them) as to which crucial bit of our constitution they managed to overlook. It was not some sort of political judgement. All they did was apply the laws as made by Parliament.

When they lose the Supreme Court appeal, the Government is going to attempt to pass what they are describing as a "bomb-proof" Bill through Parliament in order to allow them to action Article 50. This is how I imagine that will turn out:


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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #205 on: November 18, 2016, 12:55:17 PM »
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« Reply #206 on: November 18, 2016, 12:59:42 PM »



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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #207 on: November 18, 2016, 13:15:22 PM »
it's the government who are appealing
I don't find them at all appealing.

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Re: Brexit means Brexit?
« Reply #209 on: November 19, 2016, 00:55:48 AM »
I have a right to an opinion and I think those judges got it wrong. Hopefully the next set will see sense and let the government get on with triggering article 50. Then they can start to negotiate our exit from the EU.

The crucial part of the judgement says: "The most fundamental rule of the UK's constitution is that Parliament is sovereign and can make and unmake any law it chooses...

...the Crown - i.e. the Government of the day - cannot by exercise of prerogative powers override legislation enacted by Parliament"

I'd be interested to know why you think the judges "got it wrong". I'd be delighted if you could inform us (and them) as to which crucial bit of our constitution they managed to overlook. It was not some sort of political judgement. All they did was apply the laws as made by Parliament.

When they lose the Supreme Court appeal, the Government is going to attempt to pass what they are describing as a "bomb-proof" Bill through Parliament in order to allow them to action Article 50. This is how I imagine that will turn out:



http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/referendum-binding.shtml



"The law on invoking Article 50

Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union was inserted into that Treaty by the 2007 Lisbon Treaty. It is often (inaccurately) referred to as “Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon”. It entitles any Member State to withdraw from the European Union and sets out (in broad outline) the procedure to be followed. Article 50(1) and the first sentence of Article 50(2) set out in very simple terms how the process of withdrawal is begun:
“1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. ...”
As paragraph 1 above confirms, the constitutional law of each Member State governs how that State shall take a decision to withdraw and who, under its national law, has power to take such a decision. The procedure by which this will done will vary from State to State. For example, where, as in the case of some States, membership of the EU has been embedded into the national constitution, it might be necessary to amend that constitution by some special procedure in order for the State to make a valid decision to withdraw.

The United Kingdom does not have a written constitution which spells out who has the power to take a decision to withdraw from the EU and communicate that decision to the European Council. Therefore, one starts by looking at the general law on who has the power to conclude and withdraw from international treaties. And the general rule is quite clear. Under the UK’s constitution, it is the Crown (the Queinsofar as they relate to future costsen acting under the Royal Prerogative in practice on the advice of government ministers) which has the power to enter into and withdraw from international treaties."




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