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Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« on: May 17, 2018, 18:47:32 PM »
Erdogan has done so much good for the country. For the first time in decades the government is fully investing into the infrastructure of the country and local industry and business. A mandatory 30 % minimum wage increase was passed, and implemented to give all people a decent standard of living with the Turkish government providing 40% of this costs to small businesses, so they are not adversely affected.

Prior to Erdogan throughout the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s people had to que for basic necessities like petrol, gas and lightbulbs.

 Doctors visits, blood tests and cancer checks are all free. Hospitals have been modernised, and new state of the art hospitals have been built, and people no longer have to wait eight or nine hours to be seen. Old and unstable apartment blocks have been knocked down and rebuilt by the government, according to earthquake proof standards.

He has paid off the entire IMF debt of Turkey in less than ten years, one of few countries to do so.

Muslims, who are the vast majority of the population with 98.5 % self identifying as Muslim, and especially Muslim women, now have the right to enter public buildings, to get an education, to hold any job and to be a doctor or nurse, to join the police and army and hold any position they choose, without having to remove their clothing first.

Previous to this under prior governments young Muslim women were even refused to take their exams, or be handed their results unless they undressed in public first.

When the attempted coup happened the people responded to Erdogans call
To take back their streets from the rouge army factions, and Turkey stood together against terrorism.

Erdogan has reinstated the Kurdish language in schools, with lessons for Kurdish children in Kurdish. The Kurdish language  was banned in schools under the previous governments.

He has also made it very clear in his speeches and by his actions that the Kurdish people are Turkish citizens and they are the brothers of the Turks.

Erdogan has also had Jewish synagogues and Christian churches that were left to rot for decades under previous governments  renovated.

On top of this Turkey is the only country in the world to open its doors to the persecuted, not only from Syria, but to the Turkmen people of what is now China and Russia who are being tortured and persecuted, he also opened schools and hospitals in African countries, worked for peace in Sudan and Somalia and Palestine.

Turkey has rebuilt schools, homes and hospitals in Gaza and the west bank, that were destroyed by the Israeli illegal occupation.

Turkey also sent  ships to power an entire city in Indonesia, sent ships and went personally to pick up Burmese Rohinga people being who are being persecuted and are going through genocide in Burma.

Turkey is now the number two country in the world for humanitarian aid, and is a world leader in diplomacy.

This is why he was elected and he has held firm to his word and proven again and again that he is a first class leader.

He has also dealt properly with the traitorous factions who would like to turn Turkey into another syria.

He sent troops into Afrin. Where the French and USA have financially supported and trained the YPG/SDF/PKK who had commandeered Kurdish and Arab Syrians houses and land And built bunkers (funded by the French) stacked with arms to create terror inside the Turkish borders. Under operation olive branch Turkey took out ISIS held positions in Syria and Iraq in three months! Something that the US couldn’t (or didn’t want to) do in six years.

Kurdish citizens in Turkey and Syria have fully supported what Turkey has done to protect them from the oppression of the YPG and it’s sister groups, who had kidnapped their children and forced them to fight in Syria. Many Kurdish Syrian children are still missing.

He is holding all of this together despite the best efforts of those who want to bring Turkey back to its knees under the proxy control of the US And this is why he is the president of Turkey.

And all of this is the only reason why governments are financially punishing Turkey and making the lira weak because Turkey refuses to bow down to their demands and is actively standing up for the oppressed people around the world.



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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 18:49:18 PM »
I have replied to this but not as well as I am sure some of you guys can!

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2018, 19:27:48 PM »
Believe it or not, a good proportion of that is correct.

Where it falls down is that its simply cherry picked all the positive stuff and when you look behind many of the claims, it's a very different story. Plus the stuff about him being a great leader is just so much bollox.

However, that's my opinion as a resident of Spain. I am neither Turkish nor Muslim and have never been able to vote in Turkey. Many millions of Turkish citizens have a very different perspective and opinion to me.

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 19:38:41 PM »
Yes, I do know some of this is correct. But a decent living wage? When rents and inflation are now so high? And bread..... kept to the same price of a lira, but reduced in size. Spain is looking more inviting!

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2018, 08:47:44 AM »
If you like beef and Bullfighting it is.

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2018, 17:48:54 PM »
The Kurdish are equal to The Turkish people?? in his opinion..ha ha ha.

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2018, 20:04:21 PM »
He has paid off the entire IMF debt of Turkey in less than ten years, one of few countries to do so.

Thought I might just pick away at some of these claims when I have time  :)

Did he pay off Turkeys debt to the IMF?  The answer is yes, however it wasn't his economic plan that enabled this, it was a guy called Kemal Derviş who put everything in place.  Smart guy with a masters from LSE and a PhD from Princeton who worked for the World Bank for twenty odd years before taking a job in the CHP government of the time.

When his "plan" finished, the wee fella put his own guy in place and we all know what the economy is like now.  The repayment of debt thingy didn't go too well after that either, so while nowt is owed to the IMF, it's owed to every other man and his dug.
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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2018, 20:06:34 PM »
And all of this is the only reason why governments are financially punishing Turkey and making the lira weak because Turkey refuses to bow down to their demands and is actively standing up for the oppressed people around the world.

That's an easy one  :)

See above.

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2018, 09:54:56 AM »
I originally thought JohnF was being uncharacteristically generous in saying that a "good proportion" of the  unnamed person's Erdogan apology is correct. But now he has started to chip away at the detail. The argument starts quite well with the economic record but this relates to the first ten years and has evaporated since then. Moving on to other matters the reform of Kurdish relations was again in the early years and as soon as it became clear Erdogan would not be rewarded by mass electoral support from Kurdish voters the climate shifted radically. The argument deteriorates after that. Some statements are simply untrue: for example, "Turkey is the only country in the world to open its doors to the persecuted, not only from Syria, but to the Turkmen people"; what about the 243,721 Syrian refugees that were accepted into Germany during the period Jan to October 2015 alone, with today over 360,000 Syrian citizens of Germany? The notion that Turkey defeated ISIS in 3 months is quaint and even more bizarre is the idea that Kurds are rejoicing that Erdogan has liberated them from the YPG (that should give all those HDP deputies in prison a good laugh). The apology has to finish with a good old Turkish conspiracy theory: the USA and other foreign governments are ganging up on Turkey by weakening its currency (and nothing to do with RTE policies). So, although I think some statements are correct, they are outweighed by those that are not and have, perhaps, fallen out of some AKP propaganda leaflet.

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Re: Who can believe this? Posted on Fethiye expat zone
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2018, 10:12:47 AM »
Well, again it is correct about the number of Syrian refugees currently settled in Turkey - although bearing in mind Turkey invaded Syria with a huge military presence a few months ago, its hardly surprising a lot of folks sought refuge in areas away from the fighting.  You could almost argue that Turkey has (by its actions) forced folks into becoming refugees.

What isn't mentioned is the €3Bn the EU are paying Turkey to accept these poor souls.  Although the wee man says he's only received €179Mn so far, sorry...  TURKEY has only received €179Mn so far  :)

But wait, there's more... Unicef are also supplying (cash) aid to Syrian refugees in Turkey. I've no idea how much, but I suspect it is not an insubstantial sum given the scale of the problem in the south east of the country.

JF





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