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General Topics => All things that have nothing to do with Turkey => Topic started by: Highlander on August 20, 2015, 17:03:37 PM
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Mr Harry Clarke the Glasgow Bin Lorry driver.
As if he has not caused the six families enough grief, he now compounds it by refusing to answer questions.
I don't know how he sleeps at night.
A thoroughly obnoxious individual. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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He has been advised by his solicitor not to answer any questions that may incriminate him.
I think they were too quick to say he would not face prosecution in light of what we have learned since.
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Unlike you H, and many others including Mrs Scunner, I have some sympathy for the guy.
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I think it's a bit premature to castigate the man just because he is exercising his legal right.awas he driving yes,is he culpable,too early to speculate.We should really wait for the outcome of the pending prosecution,remember this will be judged on the civil burden of proof i.e balance of probabilities.
Tragic for all concerned including the driver
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After being warned by Sheriff Becket that he did not have to answer incriminating questions, Mr Clarke acknowledged that he understood.
Over the next few hours, he exercised his legal right not to answer many of the questions put to him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34000965
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I think any decent person has a degree of empathy for him Keith.
If he was an honest man, he would have declared the blackouts to both the DVLA and any new employer. He now has to live with his decision not to and the consequences thereof.
Whether or not he is charged and prosecuted with any crime we will need to wait and see.
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I agree Anne - he is guilty of lying etc but in the modern age it is less usual to see a man who could quit and live on disability allowance lying to be able to go out and earn a living.
Doesn't excuse what doing that caused, of course it doesn't but wanting to earn a wage is the motivation behind a terrible accident.
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He hid previous incidents of blacking out whilst driving in order to get the job
in Glasgow, according to reports in the media. If that is true it is totally unforgivable
and he deserves everything he gets. 6 innocent people and their families deserve justice.
Their deaths were preventable and should have far more worth than one mans desire to
dishonestly get a job on the bin lorries. Just my opinion.
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He is facing imminent civil charges brought by the families of two of the victims of this tragedy, so has every legal right not to answer any questions which may make it more difficult for his defence.
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Sheriff: Do you know that six people died on December 22
Clarke: I do not want to answer that question.
>:( >:( >:(
Tells me all I need to know.
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.......but wanting to earn a wage..............
He could have earned a wage that didn't involve driving.
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Totally agree H. with you 100% what really annoys me is, he had a history of black-outs, he lied about his medical record to get the job driving the bin lorry after he had passed out at the wheel of a bus. However, he went on to kill 6 people whilst driving a bin lorry, you would have though after that he would have realised he should not be driving again, but, 15 weeks after the accident he applied for his license back....I really hope he pays for what he has done.
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.......but wanting to earn a wage..............
He could have earned a wage that didn't involve driving.
Agreed
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Agreed also, but he didn't. Maybe he couldn't. He also didn't get a job running people down, this was an accident. I'm sure he felt he could do the job safely. He was wrong. Hats off to all the people on here who have never been wrong.
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Six people are dead and today has been dominated by the rights of the man that killed them. Says it all for me.
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I defy anyone here to say they have never been wrong Keith. BUT there is wrong and there is downright dishonest.
He was wrong on a massive scale. A walking (or driving) time bomb
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He may have felt he could do the job safely, but if he had not lied and told the truth at his medical, the Doctors who saw him would have told him and his future employers he could not do the job safely. I am sure we have all been wrong but not to the point of lying to get a job where peoples lives could be put in danger.
Kevin, We are all heart sorry for the lost of 6 lives, but this thread is about the man responsible and how some of us feel about him and the fact the Scottish Government are not going to prosecute him. At the end of the day and for the sake of the lives he took, I feel he should be prosecuted.
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kevin3 will I am sure respond but I am not sure why you appear to be taking issue with his post ???
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Not takng issue. I am merely pointing out that we all care deeply for the folk that were killed and the news today is dominated by the man that killed them because he is giving evidence today and we are all amazed at his behaviour and we all, like the relatives, want justice.
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Scunner – for the sake of argument, let’s assume that I accept your defense of Mr Clarke’s actions prior to the accident.
It is my opinion that a man with any sense of decency towards the families should now tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth by answering every question put to him as far as he can and not hid behind a legal argument.
And he had the temerity to agreed at the enquiry that he was only looking after his own interests despite being involved, culpably or not, in the death of six people.
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The man is a driver not a solicitor and has been told to be careful, what he says may affect future prosecutions. Blame the lawyers for this.
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I don't think it would have harmed his defence if he had of admitted he had a daughter, after all, she was sitting in the room.
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"what he says may affect future prosecutions" - like telling the truth for a change ?.
Again, if he had any decency, or remorse (?) he would not take his lawyers advice and have the bottle to face up to his actions.
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Yet more and even more disgraceful behaviour by Mr Clarke today even to the point of not saying sorry (yes I know the legal implications of why he didn't answer!!!!!).
I cannot imagine how the families must feel hearing " I don't want to answer" time after time.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Perhaps Mr Clarke would care to apologise to the people who suffered horrific injuries on 22 December >:( >:( >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34050944
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Yes, heard today of the 14 year old dragged under the bin lorry and getting broken bones, an ear torn off gravel in her skin, she said she was all the time hoping she would not die... and she was one of the lucky ones. :( >:(
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In April 2010 Clarke had a blackout whilst driving a bus.
He did not disclose this on application forms to the Council, to the DVLA or doctors.
This has only come to light during the Fatal Accident Enquiry currently underway.
Glasgow City Council are being criticised for "inadequate system of recruitment". Not really the issue, is it?
What is the difference between him driving last December or driving again next week?
Nobody died when it happened 5 years ago.
His medical condition is no different.
He killed them in as reckless a way as if he had been drunk or on drugs.
I fully understand that wasn't murder - there was no malice aforethought.
This was, however, very little short of it.
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If you had any doubts about this man >:( >:( >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34438129
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He was on his way to a job interview for a job that didn't involve driving, his brief will probably say.
Anyone else want to defend him and his "right's". >:(
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Spineless git >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34677791
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Crooked git took his wages for a year before doing the decent thing