Todays smoking ban!

[karaokemark]

I do not think smoking has had much effect on pub closures.
The biggest problem started in 1991 when the beer orders were introduced which said a tennated house or lease had the right to sell guests beers and breweries could only own a certain number of houses. The breweries then hicked the rents of pubs to make up for revenue lost on tied houses ( I was vice chair of the LVA at the time in 6 years my rent went from £65 a week to £220 a week )
This caused big increases in the price of beer.
Another nail in the coffin for pubs was extended drinking hours, people knew if the pub was open say 12 till 3 on a Sunday they would get a game of cards doms etc. or someone to chat too. When all day opening came in obviously costs went up for heating lighting staff etc. We found may people coming in a different times, not getting their games etc or seeing people to have a chat too.
Another factor is there are so many other things to do ie Sky tv playstaions etc, my generation went to the local 3 or 4 times a week my sons generation may go to town once or twice a month at weekends rest of the time, they go round to each others houses play tv games or even do come dine with me weekends and drink beer from supermarkets.
The British pub will be a thing of the past we will just have eating houses serving beer.
Mark

[Diverbaz 1]

   

quote: we will just have eating houses serving beer.

As most of Calis/Fethiye is already.



Baz

[Christie]

I agree with Julesbob and Diverbaz - it will be lovely to know we can walk into any of the restuarants and not have to scan round to make sure we are not going to sit beside someone who has 3 packets of cigarettes on the table in front of them.   I hate trying to eat a nice meal with smoke being wafted over me.   it is also important to bear in mind the ban is after all for health reasons for smokers and non smokers alike.   I also agree with Kareokmark in that the smoking ban is not entirely to blame for pubs closing, although none have closed near us.   Surely a lot of this is down to greedy breweries and the increased price of beer/wine etc.  plus of course the credit crunch.

[kismetbar]

I absolutely agree one hundred percent with 1gor2don and have to make comment at diverbaz's comment.

"Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them"

Smokers know the risk of smoking. "Responsible" smokers would show some common sense and not smoke in a certain environment. I'm a smoker and would never smoke in a restaurant or around children. However, it is my right to smoke as long as I'm "responsible'. Responsible drivers don't set out to kill someone but sadly, they do! I should know, my sister was killed at the age of fifteen by a so called "responsible" driver.

Interestingly, we haven't been affected by the ban. Our smokers go and sit outside .... and so do the non-smokers! There simply needs to be a compromise or some sort! Too late for that now!
Nigel

[cenk]

According to newspapers . Bar and reataurant owners started moaning about the customers, who go out for smoking and escape without paying the bills  

[tinkerman]

Some English people sneeked out the back door of Annas at the last dance without paying their bill, nothing to do with smoking.

[Alex_BillaBoi_]

i agree with gordon tho i still think it doesnt matter if you smoke in a pub, resuturant its not goin to stop people smokin around their children at home isit? still isnt going to stop people smoking around other people, smokin has been going for years and the older generaton who are still alive who smoke are still running round, smoking kills so what if people want to smoke let them, im just saying that gordon is right.. look at england most of the pubs have gone bust becuase of the no smoking ban and i have no daubt that thats going to happen here to since most the population of turkey smoke

[laffa]

I agree with Gordon and Nigel, and think its inconsiderate to smoke in a restaurant near to non smokers, and I also think the smoking ban has aided the closure of pubs in the community, and the general outcome here, is that people are entertaining at home now,we have been invited to more parties in someones home lately than we have pubs,

[Bluwise]

quote:Originally posted by Diverbaz 1

I am still a driver, cars don't kill, the irresponsible driver does, normally doing something they shouldn't, like speeding.(I am all for banning irresponsible drivers)

Resposible drivers don't set out to kill someone, smokers however, know they are affecting the health of those around them and could eventually kill them.

Baz
Smokers do not know they are affecting the health of others around them as the evidence surrounding the dangers of second hand smoke is shady to say the least.  You are at greater risk of damage to your health walking along a busy road with all those exhaust fumes.  As for the ban being for health reasons - consider who is making a huge profit from smoking cessation products (with no evidence of effectiveness) and how much money is spent on "educating" the public in matters of health - denormalising anyone who smokes, drinks, is overweight - the profit is made by the same big pharmaceutical companies that are now making vaccines by the millions for swine flu -
We have every right not to be near a smoker if that is our choice but we do not have the right to ban the use of a legal product in an area designated for that purpose - it's all about choice and consideration which is sadly lacking in many areas of our lives these days.  For many smokers, the pleasure of a foreign holiday is the relaxed atmosphere and being able to enjoy a drink and a cigarette.  If this is taken away completely I think we will see many empty/closed bars as we have seen in the UK as smokers stay at home.  I do hope Turkey (and many other countries)are able to find a compromise and provide smoke-free areas or bars for those that want them and allow owners to choose to allow smoking if that's what their customers want.  I think Turkey's extreme approach to a ban on smoking is more to do with the EU than health.[?]

[Crabbit]

quote:Originally posted by Bluwise

I think Turkey's extreme approach to a ban on smoking is more to do with the EU than health.[?]

I can`t see why.
The UK is the only section of the EU that has an effective smoking ban in place.