carol a tayfun

[Scunner]

Exactly - what is it with tourists who rely on the people offering a service in a foreign land to give advice on how things are done in said foreign land! It is a total outrage to claim that parents should "insist with the stables that they are lead by rein on a sensible pony or their child will not get on".

That is a total dereliction of any duty of care on the part of the stables and is shameful. The stables themselves should seek at least an idea of the experience of the customer who's family are handing over hard cash. In cases where the children have little or no experience, the stables should "insist that they are lead by rein on a sensible pony or their child will not be allowed to get on".

Maybe if those offering tours, trips and experiences took responsibility for finding out what their paying customers are capable of before taking there cash, the 9 year old girl who was killed while white water rafting may still be alive.

Judith your post is aggressive, entirely wrong and totally repugnant.

[sunnyd]

To be honest.. there are not alot of horse riding excursions that I, personally, would pay to go on here in Turkey. I have been brought up with horses, owned, and bred my own in the UK. There are very few places that I would recommend in this area because of that. But saying that, there are some extremely good stables around. Needless to say they are not in the Hisaronu area! If you go to Kaya koy, Yaniklar, Ortaca etc then you will find a reputable stable to book an excursion from. Unfortunately the majority of excursion sellers in this area do not consider the welfare of the animals involved, only their commission!

[Judith]

quote "When we arrived we were not happy with the setup from the start" unquote
2nd quote "We did question things regards to the condition of one horse" unquote
 
If that is the case, the warning signs were evident, and the activity involved your children, then simply dont take part and ask for your money back there and then.

If more people did the sensible thing, then the stables would have to improve safety and conditions for horses and riders.

I wouldnt get into a ramshackle boat with my children and go to sea, and even though I have kept horses all of my life, I wouldnt dream of taking any risks if I had concerns, especially with my children.

I also wouldnt wait for someone to ask me about our riding capabilities, I would be telling them

Yes, the stable staff should enquire.
Yes the horses should be in good condition and fit,
but like most things that involve money and animals, customer safety and animal welfare is less important than profit.

If as parents you have any doubts or concerns about any activity set up, give your reasons, ask for a refund and walk away.
Better safe than sorry.

[Scunner]

That's what CBF is all about Judith - independent, personal opinions like yours. Oh, except the subject is Carole & Tayfun and you appear to have forgotten in both posts to mention that you are anything but independent to the Carole & Tayfun company! Did that slip your mind??!!

[Judith]

Scunner, on a different topic, you describe the flow of tourists who enter an activity inspite of the evidence that it is not safe as, quote" still morons come" which I personally find repugnant

When I said, "what is it with hoilday makers" it is because
it does seem the case, that some people on holiday ignore the common sense warnings which they would listen to at home.
For example, paragliding with an infant attached!Unthinkable in the UK.

In this case from the parents post,

Quote 1. "When we arrived we were not happy with the setup from the start"

Quote 2. "We did question things regards to the condition of one horse"

Quote 3."we were not asked if we had ever rode before"

Quote 4" my son was given a horse that was not friendly"

What I am attempting to say is, if your immediate reaction to an activity and activity centre, is one of concern, which it was in this case, then do not put your children at risk, its just not worth it.
And if you are concened about the state of the animals, then dont ride them.
As parents we have to weigh up the risks and not rely on people we do not know.

And I might add that it is very well known that I am totally against riding stables full stop, having rescued many exhausted and wrecked horses over the years from such establishments.

And on a personal note, I would not want to ride in scorching hot weather, for hours up and down craggy mountain paths or sandy beaches, because it simply is not fair on the horses!


But for those who want to take part, which is their choice, though not the horses, common sense and parental responsibility must prevail.

If you have concerns about any safety aspects or conditions for horses or riders,
then make your case, ask for a refund from the centre, and walk away


That way you will be sending a clear message to the proprietors and have peace of mind.

Also I might add that I have no influence in Carole and Tayfuns buisiness, mores the pity
Though I am sure they will now be looking into the standards at the stables in question, for the animals as well as the clients.

[Scunner]

quote:Originally posted by Judith

Scunner, on a different topic, you describe the flow of tourists who enter an activity inspite of the evidence that it is not safe as, quote" still morons come" which I personally find repugnant

What on Earth are you talking about? Yes I wrote that! Dolphins crapping into the bottom of a condemned pool and STILL MORONS COME to pay to swim in it. You find my view repugnant?? Why??? It's 100% true. What is it about humans paying to swim in a **** filled pool with two stolen and stressed out dolphins that you don't find moronic?

Is there ANYONE on CBF that feel that comment is repugnant? They are morons!

I don't know anything about horse riding but I do know about running a business and there is no point in you posting (hiding your true relationship with the company being discussed) that it is the responsibility of the customer to ensure their safety. It is not.  

I note from your last post that you "have no influence in Carole and Tayfuns buisiness". From reading your posts in this topic, I think they'll be extremely grateful for that.

[laffa]

Still does not retract from the fact that the "HOLIDAYMAKER", is entitled to expect a degree of safety,and that the  people conducting these activities should, being human, ensure this is the case,
You refer to the "HOLIDAYER", as people who are thick, because they dont  have the benefit of knowing the ins and outs of everything around them when on holiday, people put their trust in others when on holiday,especially on trips, excursions etc,and your quotes 1 2 3 & 4, are only confirming the concerns of the original poster, I think it is yourself who needs to get off your( high horse, ) pedestal. not all parents are innadequate.

[stoop]

Yes holidaymakers should expect a degree of safety -- but it doesn't always happen does it? My view is if you have any doubt at all about the safety measures on a trip then walk away and ask for your money back.

How many accidents/loss of life etc do we have to have before some people start to engage their brains on holiday? Over the last few years we have seen many examples of families taking risks with their own lives and the lives of their children whilst on holiday (and not just in Turkey by any means). My motto is if I wouldn't do it in the UK then I certainly don't want to do it in a foreign country.

[Scunner]

A man plummeted to his death in Alanya because of a worn/faulty harness. If I chose to do that activity with a tandem instructor (I wouldn't) I would have little idea on what to look for to check if a harness was old, worn or faulty. To me they would probably all look a bit old or bit worn but maybe perfectly usable. Is this suddenly my problem?

[stoop]

Well you should check really shouldn't you? However we put our trust in others on holiday and I'm not sure that's a good thing. I'll stick with my motto and keep away from the high risk stuff. Too old now anyway ;-)