my vist this time to calis *moan.

[DANKY]

sorry posted twice some how

[DANKY]

Call me selfish but i tend not to worry to much about  other people,s personal choices ,but respect everyones right to an opinion,  i will make my decisions based around my family normally on the spur of the moment or we take it in turns to choose the restaurant  & that way we can learn from our own mistakes, how boring would life be if we all was to all eat the same things then  bought the same things, variety is the spice of life is it not  [?]

[hydeaway]

I agree with most of the comments made by all we got back yesterday and found some of our favourite bars have become drinking holes
(no names of bars mentioned)It seems quiet sad to me to drive pass everyday and see the same people drinking all day long in the same place. Dont get me wrong i love a drink and a sing song but i put alot of it down to boredom. Thats why you get all the gossip floating around the place. You wouldnt believe what me and the missus heard just sitting on our own from the tables around us. Still love the place though and i must say P J`s Bar was a breath of fresh air Jason and his wife where very friendly and he actually told someone to leave on Saturday for swearing loudly.

[suehugh]

quote:Originally posted by Highlander

quote:Originally posted by suehugh

occasional sincere Turkish smiles:P

[?]

Hi Highlander
Whats the truth behind the effusive smile and greeting.I used to think it was because I was a nice fella. and took people at face value.Naive I found.particularly in Turkey.
However, the odd genuine smile makes up for the altruistic ones

[suehugh]

quote:Originally posted by Scunner

Loud people make the most noise? Yes that happens in most places, not just Calis

I would agree with some of it though. It does appear to have moved from Adana Kebap to karaoke and chicken in a basket but you have to look at everything in terms of demand and supply once again, Turkish bar and restaurant owners will not put on events unless there is a demand locally. I suppose the numbers are greater these days so there are more people wanting such things.

Your right, demand governs response.When we visited Calis last year, we went inland in search of something Turkish.
Uzumulu seemed idylic-then you noticed the number of expat houses.Tea and cakes opposite the mosque.Westernized menu at the Winehouse.Too English
We later went up to the next village on the Dolmus route.Wonderful walk around amongst the leaning houses. Finished off in the tea house by the mosque. No bar.Too Turkish.
Turkey has changed dramatically in the seventeen years we have been visiting.The reasons for visiting are gradually being eroded by us visitors

[scorcher]

Not too Turkish - too close to mosque.

[hydeaway]

Sadly this is the case with most countries i dislike spain because of the full english signs up and english roast here in every bar. You can say the same about England and how the foriegns have changed our lovely country its life Im afraid !

[hillside]

quote:Originally posted by hydeaway

It seems quiet sad to me to drive pass everyday and see the same people drinking all day long in the same place. Dont get me wrong i love a drink and a sing song but i put alot of it down to boredom. Thats why you get all the gossip floating around the place.

You get saddo's everywhere who need to get a life but prefer to hang around in bars all the time - but I think you're completely correct that boredom is a big contributor , added to the village mentality of everyone needing to know everyone elses business!

[farmer]

I think the reality of the attitudes and behaviour patterns exhibited by the expats who live out here is much maligned and exaggerated in the original post by Siemli. True, there are occasions when the kind of behaviour patterns Siemli complains about do occur but I doubt if they are the norm.

I think Siemli exaggerates their experiences out of all proportion to reality just to make a point.

For example, perhaps Siemli would like to explain their gross exaggeration of the temperature of " it was still 40+"   in regard to the comment about the opening night of the Indian Restaurant when the highest temperature achieved in the Fethiye / Calis area on that day was 25 C, and that at 3 p.m. It has not been 40+ here in Calis for the past six months.

[kayakebab]

I've only been an expat for 3 months and understand there are several thousands of us in the area.
I've seen a handful of people who are always in 'drinking holes' when I walk past.
We go out weekly to support local charity events, where food might be non Turkish because its a themes night etc.We tend to have traditional Turkish lunch if in town, and like the majority of the other expats purchase local produce and cook at home.
Were on a budget and its not all party party.
We've been out a lot the last couple of weeks and frequented the bars as we have had family over, we looked at it as a holiday for us too, but once they've gone it will be back to living a relatively 'normal' life of home cooking and evenings in front of the tv.
In my opinion the bars and restaurants are catering mainly for tourists and most of the
 nobbish behaviour and too much bare flesh that I've seen has been since Dalaman airport opened!