Roka Restaurant owner not paying his way?

[tinkerman]

In reply to your detailed explanation, which was enlightening!, is it still possible for you all to stand together now and fight Manzara? I will guarantee to you that this information has never been explained to the Foreign people in this much detail hence the misunderstandings, I think this may bring some apologies to you from some quarters.

Thank you for explaining the situation in such detail.

[madmart]

Wil those behind the calls to boycott the Roka now be big enough to apologise?

More to the point will they now go and spend some money there as I realise apologies do not pay the bills!!

[Ian]

And to add more support our neighbor was having a drink this weekend with someone who lives on this site who said "it is rubbish to say everyone has paid - I haven't and I know some others who don't agree with it and haven't paid"

Incidentally remember to press "more" at the end of this post by Ertugrul after
LAW ON LAND where he goes on to explain the law and covers certain facts about Manzara and their status and ends with an offer to pay some money to the apartment manager  as a gesture of goodwill but will not pay to Manzara as it is an illegal demand by them.

[suec]

Why do so many ex pats find it so easy to ruin someones business by boycotting    I find this so difficult to understand ,something very similar has happened in the village we live in  .. I always say find out for your self before you find it so easy to condemn and boycott 

[mac2010]

Maybe if this had been explained to the other owners in the first in such detail then all of this could have been avoided.A huge lack of communication between owners has snowballed into what could have been a nasty situation .Thankfully it has been nipped in the bud.

[Eric]

There are always 2 sides to a story. Unfortunately a lot of ex-pats jump in and assume a lot before the truth comes out. We have learnt over the years to wait until the true facts are known before we make any judgments. I wish a lot of people would do the same, it makes life less stressful for all concerned. I hope the person who started this 'boycott' has the decency to apologise to the owner of Roka on here, Face Book and in person.

They now need to unite together, use the law, and settle it once and for all without airing their dirty laundry in public.

[Mark G]

Ertuğrul, having just read this thread again, can I say what a brilliant, enlightening, well reasoned and thought out post you wrote in response to what has happened to you, your neighbours, the complex where you live, and potentially your business too. You were absolutely right to come on here to put your side of the story as we had only read the posts from people who probably had less, if any knowledge of the correct legal situation, which then led to others joining a boycott of your business when it looks like it is in fact you who has been in the right to refuse to bow down to the bullying by the construction company

You are obviously a man of high principles who will stand by those principles even if it upsets people less educated than you on the intricacies of communal living and Turkish law and I salute you for that. If only there were more people who were willing to stand by their principles and morals, and in some cases even had any of those things, then the world might be a better place.

There will unfortunately always be people who will simply listen to someone, then without doing any research or putting much thought into the subject, simply take the easy route and jump on the band wagon and let themselves be led by the nose like sheep because they can't be bothered to look for the other side of a story. Quite sad really but that is just how some people are.

For what it's worth, because of what I have read in this thread, and I realise it won't make you the richest man in Turkey, but I will find out where your place is and come there for a meal as a mark of respect for your principled stance.

Once again, thank you putting your side of this tale, and thank you for showing that there are still some people out there with morals and principles and who will stand up for them. I hope you get this situation resolved without having to give in to the corporate bullies.

[loz]

I have just read through this is a hurry, but yes it is good to have the facts why they do not wish to pay,this is no consolation when the electric  is cut off and the owners are not able to use their apartments that they have paid many £1000's of hard earned money to have a holiday home. the legal process is all very good but can take 5-10 or more years, this is no consolation to the owners, as Savoy boy found out, another Manzara  build owner.
How mny times over the last 20years have we heard this story, the worst culprits were or used to be in the area, Hanel Homes, and yet still many owners are having problems and some in the meantime have seen their properties demolished, therefore many foreign owners have no choice but to pay. where as the law will protect the Turkish to the fuller extent.  Also what is the cost to a foriegner for legal services of a lawyer? maybe it was less expensive to psy the 2000TL other than pay the many 1000'sTL to a lawyer and wait years.


In the meantime, owners who have paid can use their properties, and the ones that have not paid can also enjoy their properties without parting with a penny whilst they continue to fight in the law courts, and pay the lesser legal fee's. or none.


I am surprised at the amount of people that are now saying yes we understand, would you be so happy? I know that I would not.  so you pay all your insurance for the property, and when something goes wrong and you need to claim, the insurance companies rub their hands in glee, they do not need to pay out as the owners are not the legal owners.

principles do not pay bills or put a roof over your head.


As a foot note, I have never in any post advocated the boycotting of the restaurant, that is for individuals to make up their own minds.  but a post to be warned or warn what can happens when a good agent is not used who checks all the facts and ensures that no monies are parted with until the buyer is able to gain full legal access to a property. 

[cef]

Ertuğrul, I'm sorry your business & integrity has suffered because of all this.  Thank you very much for responding so positively & informatively to those allegations.  It was a breath of fresh air on a very murky & expensive practice that has been allowed, even encouraged by some with ulterior motives ie: Money 

I would like to see local & national journalists take this information forward, I would especially like the Turkish Barosu to ensure that their Legal fraternity & associates ensure the law is Practiced & Clients given the Right information....  Too many 'lawyers' are making vast amounts of money by 'representing' clients with this very stressful problem & encouraging them to part with huge sums of money........

My Dad often used to say; "However difficult a situation appears to be, if you look hard enough you'll find something good in there somewhere"  'Every positive has a negative'  

I won't ever be coming to Turkey again (there's a price on my head ) & won't be able to buy you a well deserved drink, but I'll raise my glass with thanks to you, later tonight  

[Phil]

There is lots that can be said about the mess that people can find themselves in when buying a house direct from a Turkish builder. Most of it has already been said on here before and it is depressing to think that the same stories are going to keep appearing.

What is now the subject of debate is whether it is appropriate or fair to use CBF in the way this thread was started ?

Probably not.

Me thinks that for the good of the people involved and for CBF in general this is a topic that needs to quietly disappear.

Start a new debate about Habitation Licences and how to get one, but don’t throw mud. Some of it has stuck already.